So is Bradley-Alexander not going to be or The Ring belt?

Since Khan is at # 2? That realy sucks. Why I was hoping Maidana would knock Khan out.

Yea I think by the end of next year 140 will have a ring champ

At least I hope

Fucking HBO, they should use Championship Boxing to fill The Ring vacancies. That'd get hell of ratings, since be # 1 and # 2 guy of each division going at it.

But no, that's just too perfect of an idea and HBO can't handle that

GrantZilla wrote:Since Khan is at # 2? That realy sucks. Why I was hoping Maidana would knock Khan out.

That's another why I don't pay a hell of a lot of attention to Ring's rankings, Ring claims to be unbias, but they're not.

sometimes the Ring will crown the winner of #1 vs #3 as champ, but they haven't done it in some time I think.

If Maidana scored a huge KO over Khan they may as well have placed Maidana at #2 so there would be no guarantee that Bradley-Alexander would be for the title anyway.

Give Khan his stay busy fight in England and then have him face off against whoever wins, for all the marbles. No problem with that IMO.

Ring had an article that mentioned filling vacancies. http://www.ringtv.com/blog/2198/dawsonpascal_ignites_the_search_for_more_real_champions/

Honestly, I feel like many Ring vacancies have a chance to be filled. Looking at junior bantam-junior light, I think all those fights have chances of coming off. I will be sad if the Montiel-Donaire winner does not face the Agbeko/Mares winner.

how the fuck is Khan not ranked over Alexander though?? this is bullshit

dbudge wrote:how the fuck is Khan not ranked over Alexander though?? this is bullshit

He is #2

1. Bradley
2. Khan
3. Alexander

dbudge wrote:how the fuck is Khan not ranked over Alexander though?? this is bullshit

he is. as of now, it's

1. Timmy
2. Khan
3. Alexander
4. Maidana
5. Kotelnik

dbudge wrote:how the fuck is Khan not ranked over Alexander though?? this is bullshit

Do you really think it would be that much of a travesty for Devon to be above Amir?

They both fought Kotelnik. Amir dominated and Devon got a lucky decision. Advantage Amir
Amir fought Maidana and Devon fought a very similar and more accomplished Urango. Amir almost got KO'ed and Devon got the KO. Advantage Devon
So is Amir's performances against Salita and Malignaggi that much better than Devon's against Witter and all the castoffs (which include Chop-Chop)?

Maybe I'm biased being from St Louis but I think you can make the case for Alexander.

UBeeg9cats wrote:

dbudge wrote:how the fuck is Khan not ranked over Alexander though?? this is bullshit

Do you really think it would be that much of a travesty for Devon to be above Amir?

They both fought Kotelnik. Amir dominated and Devon got a lucky decision. Advantage Amir
Amir fought Maidana and Devon fought a very similar and more accomplished Urango. Amir almost got KO'ed and Devon got the KO. Advantage Devon
So is Amir's performances against Salita and Malignaggi that much better than Devon's against Witter and all the castoffs (which include Chop-Chop)?

Maybe I'm biased being from St Louis but I think you can make the case for Alexander.

You make a good point, I don't see it being a big deal if Devon was #2, but Khan is a Brit media darlin' and Khan lovers would get the red-ass.

You can blame Alexander for looking like crap against Kotelnik. That fight dropped him in the rankings, from 2 to 3 behind Khan.

Diego408 wrote:You can blame Alexander for looking like crap against Kotelnik. That fight dropped him in the rankings, from 2 to 3 behind Khan.

You mean like Khan did against Maidana the last half of the fight?

Ring wrote:

Diego408 wrote:You can blame Alexander for looking like crap against Kotelnik. That fight dropped him in the rankings, from 2 to 3 behind Khan.

You mean like Khan did against Maidana the last half of the fight?

Khan won convincigly in a war, Alexander should have lost. Depending who you ask, truth be told, Maidana looked better against Kotelnik than Alexander did.

Ring wrote:That's another why I don't pay a hell of a lot of attention to Ring's rankings, Ring claims to be unbias, but they're not.

Can you tell me a better rankings panel then this:
http://www.ringtv.com/about/

GrantZilla wrote:

Ring wrote:That's another why I don't pay a hell of a lot of attention to Ring's rankings, Ring claims to be unbias, but they're not.

Can you tell me a better rankings panel then this:
http://www.ringtv.com/about/

I don't care who they are, they're still wrong much of the time, I take Ring's rankings with a grain of salt.

Diego408 wrote:

Ring wrote:

Diego408 wrote:You can blame Alexander for looking like crap against Kotelnik. That fight dropped him in the rankings, from 2 to 3 behind Khan.

You mean like Khan did against Maidana the last half of the fight?

Khan won convincigly in a war, Alexander should have lost. Depending who you ask, truth be told, Maidana looked better against Kotelnik than Alexander did.

I wasn't actually making the case for Alexander to be #2. I was just saying that his 140 resume is very close in quality to Khan's. You say won convincingly in a war but I have my doubts about him winning with a ref that let inside fighting happen. Alexander ground out a debatable decision. Urango is similar to Maidana and Alexander was the first and only man to stop him. As I said before I believe Alexander's efforts vs Kotelnik and Urango all but cancel out with Khan's vs Kotelnik and Maidana. Then you are left with Alexander vs Witter against Khan vs Paulie. Ring magazine may crown the winner of Bradley/Alexander champ and thats good enough for me.

UBeeg9cats wrote:

Diego408 wrote:

Ring wrote:

Diego408 wrote:You can blame Alexander for looking like crap against Kotelnik. That fight dropped him in the rankings, from 2 to 3 behind Khan.

You mean like Khan did against Maidana the last half of the fight?

Khan won convincigly in a war, Alexander should have lost. Depending who you ask, truth be told, Maidana looked better against Kotelnik than Alexander did.

I wasn't actually making the case for Alexander to be #2. I was just saying that his 140 resume is very close in quality to Khan's. You say won convincingly in a war but I have my doubts about him winning with a ref that let inside fighting happen. Alexander ground out a debatable decision. Urango is similar to Maidana and Alexander was the first and only man to stop him. As I said before I believe Alexander's efforts vs Kotelnik and Urango all but cancel out with Khan's vs Kotelnik and Maidana. Then you are left with Alexander vs Witter against Khan vs Paulie. Ring magazine may crown the winner of Bradley/Alexander champ and thats good enough for me.

Khan proved a lot to me in that bout against Maidana. Can he actually take a punch? yes he can, and the boy has heart. Even when Prescott killed him, he tried getting up. Its not Khans fault for Cortez being incompetant, he did the same shit in the Flomo-Hatton bout, the guys an idiot. I do believe Khans resume and skills are better than Alexander, making him the rightful #2. To fight the Ring belt, it does need to be the #1 and #2 guys of the weight class. The Bradley-Alexander fight is just to see whos the real deal or not, the real fighter will come out on top. Khan vs the winner is the real lineal fight IMO. I wouldnt be surprised if Alexander wins.

But I dont think Ring will make the Alex-Bradely fight for the lineal belt, they moved Khan over Alexander for a reason, they obviously believe Kotelnik beat Alexander.

Alexanders Ws over Kotelnik, Witter and Urango are not better than Khans over Kotelnik, Paulie and Maidana.

Ring wrote:

GrantZilla wrote:

Ring wrote:That's another why I don't pay a hell of a lot of attention to Ring's rankings, Ring claims to be unbias, but they're not.

Can you tell me a better rankings panel then this:
http://www.ringtv.com/about/

I don't care who they are, they're still wrong much of the time, I take Ring's rankings with a grain of salt.

Rankings are subjective. Go look at Boxrec computer rankings, and gurantee won't agree with those either a lot of the time.

Top four for Boxrec are the same, but then got fucking Ortiz at # 5

1 Timothy Bradley
2 Amir Khan
3 Devon Alexander
4 Marcos Rene Maidana
5 Victor Ortiz
6 Kaizer Mabuza
7 Joan Guzman
8 Lamont Peterson
9 Paul McCloskey
10 Paul Malignaggi

whos number 2 or 3 doesnt mean that much.the top 3 are close in abilty so far and there the elite of the division..there all going to fight each other so by years end the rankings will be without question like they are now..yes ring should recognize the final outcome of the bradley-alexander winner and the kahn -judah winner in a faceoff which will happen as the real and ring champ.

I want Ring to tell me who has the better rankings that are without question or dispute.

Good luck.

As said, rankings are subjective, and The Ring has by far most accurate. Other legit rankings are similar. Even Boxrec Compu rankings are similar. But can't go soley off computer rankings because soley based on formula.

ring magazine rankings are amoung the best if not the best..fat dans are darn good also and boxing rec is decent...the commision rankings are the jokes.not one of them have any legitimacy or sound logic.just politics and a little cash that determine whos in there phoney top ten.

dbudge wrote:how the fuck is Khan not ranked over Alexander though?? this is bullshit

he should be #2 over Alexander. He beat Kotelnik easily. He survived Maidana. Alexander struggled with Kotelnik (I thought he lost).

Diego408 wrote:

UBeeg9cats wrote:

Diego408 wrote:

Ring wrote:

Diego408 wrote:You can blame Alexander for looking like crap against Kotelnik. That fight dropped him in the rankings, from 2 to 3 behind Khan.

You mean like Khan did against Maidana the last half of the fight?

Khan won convincigly in a war, Alexander should have lost. Depending who you ask, truth be told, Maidana looked better against Kotelnik than Alexander did.

I wasn't actually making the case for Alexander to be #2. I was just saying that his 140 resume is very close in quality to Khan's. You say won convincingly in a war but I have my doubts about him winning with a ref that let inside fighting happen. Alexander ground out a debatable decision. Urango is similar to Maidana and Alexander was the first and only man to stop him. As I said before I believe Alexander's efforts vs Kotelnik and Urango all but cancel out with Khan's vs Kotelnik and Maidana. Then you are left with Alexander vs Witter against Khan vs Paulie. Ring magazine may crown the winner of Bradley/Alexander champ and thats good enough for me.

Khan proved a lot to me in that bout against Maidana. Can he actually take a punch? yes he can, and the boy has heart. Even when Prescott killed him, he tried getting up. Its not Khans fault for Cortez being incompetant, he did the same shit in the Flomo-Hatton bout, the guys an idiot. I do believe Khans resume and skills are better than Alexander, making him the rightful #2. To fight the Ring belt, it does need to be the #1 and #2 guys of the weight class. The Bradley-Alexander fight is just to see whos the real deal or not, the real fighter will come out on top. Khan vs the winner is the real lineal fight IMO. I wouldnt be surprised if Alexander wins.

But I dont think Ring will make the Alex-Bradely fight for the lineal belt, they moved Khan over Alexander for a reason, they obviously believe Kotelnik beat Alexander.

Alexanders Ws over Kotelnik, Witter and Urango are not better than Khans over Kotelnik, Paulie and Maidana.

Again the ring article from AFTER Khan became #2 says that they will at least send out a survey to see if it should fill the vacancy: http://www.ringtv.com/blog/2198/dawsonpascal_ignites_the_search_for_more_real_champions/

It should be Khan as of right now...

Khan: Kotelnik, Salita, Maliganaggi, Maidana
Alexander: Witter, Urango, Kotelnik

If Alexander beats Bradley he can leap frog Khan, but given Khan's recent win he should be the #2 right now.

I don't care either way though. If they fight for the Ring belt that's awesome because it will put more urgency on Khan to go after the winner of Bradley v. Alexander. If not it'll put more urgency on Bradley/Aleaxander and Khan to make a fight, and help build the fight.