Ward-Froch for The Ring belt

Grant at the crib

SlickMoney wrote:Grant at the crib

Heh funny. Come on, even you Slick got to agree with this

How come this is for the Ring title and Bradley vs Alexander wasnt? Did Froch beating Glen Johnson really warrant him to leap frog Bute? NO!

They should've kept Bute at 2. Winner of Froch-Ward ,to me, is not the clear cut man at 168.

GrantZilla wrote:

SlickMoney wrote:Grant at the crib

Heh funny. Come on, even you Slick got to agree with this

Nope

SlickMoney wrote:How come this is for tthe he Ring title and Bradley vs Alexander wasnt? Did Froch beating Glen Johnson really warrant him to leap frog Bute? NO!

They should've kept Bute at 2. Winner of Froch-Ward ,to me, is not the clear cut man at 168.

I agree. What justifies a number two ranking when you beat the eighth ranked fighter in the division? It seems ring is desperate to fill championship vacancies. They currently have eleven vacancies. Its also great Publicity to present the winner of the super six with a ring belt. I think this is irresponsible on the part of the ring.

Jesus christ. There's no fucking winning with some of you.

Bute was lucky he kept his # 2 position for as long as he has with the compition he's faced.

Froch by far has one of the best resumes at Super Middle. His only loss against Kessler could have gone either way.

And a Froch fan like you Hardcorebee who's keeps banging the drum on how underrated Froch is and how he has the best resume, is now saying it's irresponsible for Froch to be ranked at # 2?

So fighting Brian Magee, Jesse Brinkley, and Edison Miranda trumps Glen Johnson, Arthur Abraham, and Mikkel Kessler?

Seriously. Fucking pointless with some of you

GrantZilla wrote:Jesus christ. There's no fucking winning with some of you.

Bute was lucky he kept his # 2 position for as long as he has with the compition he's faced.

Froch by far has one of the best resumes at Super Middle. His only loss against Kessler could have gone either way.

And a Froch fan like you Hardcorebee who's keeps banging the drum on how underrated Froch is and how he has the best resume, is now saying it's irresponsible for Froch to be ranked at # 2?

So fighting Brian Magee, Jesse Brinkley, and Edison Miranda trumps Glen Johnson, Arthur Abraham, and Mikkel Kessler?

Seriously. Fucking pointless with some of you

Then they shouldn't have had Bute there in the first place, but they did and Froch beat other ranked opponents before fighting Johnson. Bute ko'd his last three opponents so I assume the fashion in which he beat his opponents garnered him the ranking

Just seems awfully convenient if you ask me.

hardcorebee24 wrote: It seems ring is desperate to fill championship vacancies. They currently have eleven vacancies. Its also great Publicity to present the winner of the super six with a ring belt.

If anything, the are too anal about filling vacancies. If they werre so desperate, they'd made Bradley-Alexander for the belt, but wisely didn't.

And what publicity? Showtime and HBO rarely, and in HBO's case, never mentioned The Ring. They'll mention Ward's "Super WBA" bullshit belt, and Froch's WBC trinket over The Ring belt.

hardcorebee24 wrote:Just seems awfully convenient if you ask me.

There's no winning. Because they're would be just as many people bitching that Ward-Froch wasn't for The Ring belt. And try to tie some GB conspiracy to it all.

Bute didn't deserve # 2 spot off his resume. And the Super-Six winner will fight Bute anways, unless Bute loses to Kessler, which is possible.

I think Kessler was 1 and Bute was 2 before the Super Six started. He hasnt looked shitty since then. Froch caught an L. Beating old man Johnson really isnt much if you really think about it.

GrantZilla wrote:

hardcorebee24 wrote:Just seems awfully convenient if you ask me.

There's no winning. Because they're would be just as many people bitching that Ward-Froch wasn't for The Ring belt. And try to tie some GB conspve iracy to it all.

Bute didn't deserve # 2 spot off his resume. And the Super-Six winner will fight Bute anways, unless Bute loses to Kessler, which is possible.

Theyve had him there for 20 months know he wouldn't/couldn't fight a super six fighter. What's this about winning?
Im not trying to win or lose just stating opinion.

SlickMoney wrote:I think Kessler was 1 and Bute was 2 before the Super Six started. He hasnt looked shitty since then. Froch caught an L. Beating old man Johnson really isnt much if you really think about it.

Johnson better then anyone Bute has faced. And isn't it about competion over wins and losses. The Kessler loss could've gone either way. Not as incriminating as Bute literaly being saved from a loss by the ref against Andrade.

Add on Froch traveled out his comfortzone of his town, same can't be said of Bute.

I never agreed with The Ring for keeping him as high as they have.

GrantZilla wrote:

SlickMoney wrote:I think Kessler was 1 and Bute was 2 before the Super Six started. He hasnt looked shitty since then. Froch caught an L. Beating old man Johnson really isnt much if you really think about it.

Johnson better then anyone Bute has faced. And isn't it about competion over wins and losses. The Kessler loss could've gone either way. Not as incriminating as Bute literaly being saved from a loss by the ref against Andrade.

Add on Froch traveled out his comfortzone of his town, same can't be said of Bute.

I never agreed with The Ring for keeping him as high as they have.

But they did. Now it seems convenient that they're going to change that to make the final for their belt. Shouldn't Montial Domaire been for the belt? They were the two best in the bantam weight division and Ring stuck yo their guns about that.

hardcorebee24 wrote: But they did. Now it seems convenient that they're going to change that to make the final for their belt. Shouldn't Montial Domaire been for the belt? They were the two best in the bantam weight division and Ring stuck yo their guns about that.

Donaire was ranked 5th when he fought Montiel. His compition before the Montiel fight was weak to the point they were nothing but sparring sessions, like when he was practicing being a lefty against the likes of Hernan Marquez.

Froch's resume speaks for itself. Since 2008 he's fought Pascal, Taylor, Dirrell, Kessler, Abraham, and Johnson.

Bute since 2008 fought Andrade(which was saved by the ref), Zuniga, Andrade again, Brinkley, and Magee

GrantZilla wrote:

hardcorebee24 wrote: But they did. Now it seems convenient that they're going to change that to make the final for their belt. Shouldn't Montial Domaire been for the belt? They were the two best in the bantam weight division and Ring stuck yo their guns about that.

Donaire was ranked 5th when he fought Montiel. His compition before the Montiel fight was weak to the point they were nothing but sparring sessions, like when he was practicing being a lefty against the likes of Hernan Marquez.

Froch's resume speaks for itself. Since 2008 he's fought Pascal, Taylor, Dirrell, Kessler, Abraham, and Johnson.

Bute since 2008 fought Andrade(which was saved by the ref), Zuniga, Andrade again, Brinkley, and Magee

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Believe me I understand that. Donaire was the favorite still going into that fight why couldn't they make an exception knowing he was superior?. Bute was fighting bums and Andrade for a long time. Why is he even ranked third? Froch should have been ranked higher than Bute since his win over Taylor. Taylor was better than Bute's opponents. They're making an exception here because of the tournament. They're leap frogging Froch because they want to. According to Ring Bute should not lose his ranking, he's been active and he's been winning in devastating fashion and hasn't showed weaknesses, in fact he's gotten better. Beating the eighth ranked opponent does not warrant a jump in ranking.

Fighters have lost ranking position do to inferior competion.

Got same thing going on at Bantam. There are people complaining about Moreno still being ranked 2nd. Even got people saying the tournament winner between Mares-Agbeko should be the Champ.

No doubt the winner of the tournament will take Moreno's spot at 2nd, as well they should. Even if Moreno doesn't lose against Lorenzo Parra, who's not even ranked by The Ring, and ranked 23rd by Boxrec.

And not like Ward or Froch are going to duck Bute if he ends up beating Kessler. If they were like that, they wouldn't have even taken part in the tournament.

And reason why Bradley-Alexander wasn't for The Ring belt is because Alexander got a gift home town decision against an opponent that Khan spanked. Ring got shit for it, but the fight sucked, Alexander quit, and then Bradley bitches out of fighting Khan, showing his true colors.

IF anything, they are too anal about filling vacancies.

GrantZilla wrote:Fighters have lost ranking position do to inferior competion.

Got same thing going on at Bantam. There are people complaining about Moreno still being ranked 2nd. Even got people saying the tournament winner between Mares-Agbeko should be the Champ.

No doubt the winner of the tournament will take Moreno's spot at 2nd, as well they should. Even if Moreno doesn't lose against Lorenzo Parra, who's not even ranked by The Ring, and ranked 23rd by Boxrec.

And not like Ward or Froch are going to duck Bute if he ends up beating Kessler. If they were like that, they wouldn't have even taken part in the tournament.

And reason why Bradley-Alexander wasn't for The Ring belt is because Alexander got a gift home town decision against an opponent that Khan spanked. Ring got shit for it, but the fight sucked, Alexander quit, and then Bradley bitches out of fighting Khan, showing his true colors.

IF anything, they are too anal about filling vacancies.

I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU"RE SAYING. They chose a funny time to drop Bute is all. Johnson isn't the best or highest ranked guy that Froch has beaten. Bute remained at number 2 when he shouldn't have been according to their own standards. Again you seem to fail to understand what my point is, my point is why now when it could have been two fucking years ago. Bute hasn't fought the competition that Froch has faced in two fucking years!!!!! WHY NOW WHEN HE DEFEATED THE 8th BEST OPPONENT IN THE DIVISION DO THEY DECIDE TO LEAP FROG BUTE!!!!????!!!!???? They could have done it when he beat Taylor, Dirrell, lost a close one to Kessler, or beat Abraham. Seems to me that who ever from the original Super Six made it to the final would have been crowned number one and two to settle the ring belt. In that context I think the Ring is wrong (these rankings may be right) but it is contrived. Bute hasn't done anything less to be dropped to number three and Froch hasn't done anything different than he's already done to be moved up.

Sorry Grant I don't agree with this.

It should be Ward, Bute, Kessler then Froch.

I like it. Bute is over rated due to his soft resume'. I doubt Froch or Kessler for that matter, would get smacked around by Andrade. Other than Andrade, who has Bute beaten? Froch deserves the #2 spot due to his resume'. After the Super 6 is over, you know Bute will want a fight with the winner for big bucks, so he'll have a chance to be #1.

Everyone has a bad night at the office, Manny, Floyd, Sugar Ray, you can't keep shitting on Bute because of the first fight with Andrade, he waxed Andrade in the rematch.

Sure his resume isn't spectacular but there's no doubt Bute is a talented SMW, he's arguably the best body puncher in the sport right now.

Ali wrote:Everyone has a bad night at the office, Manny, Floyd, Sugar Ray, you can't keep shitting on Bute because of the first fight with Andrade, he waxed Andrade in the rematch.

Sure his resume isn't spectacular but there's no doubt Bute is a talented SMW, he's arguably the best body puncher in the sport right now.

He's looked against much softer competition. The Ring Ranking isn't helping him right now anyway. If anything, moving Froch up helps Bute.

Great news. Makes the finale more meaningful and will give the division a legitimate champion. If someone's better, they can take the belt. Froch and Ward are both deserving of it.

Gumby wrote:Great news. Makes the finale more meaningful and will give the division a legitimate champion. If someone's better, they can take the belt. Froch and Ward are both deserving of it.

Exactly...either way, Bute is still in line for a huge payday (with a legit champ) after the winner is crowned.