The Boxing Palace's Greatest Ever Heavyweight Tournament (RD 1)

Soonermark890 wrote:

freakzilla wrote:I just basically matched them up with style fights. Lewis and Tunney for instance are both smart fighters. Marciano vs Wladimir for the size difference etc.

I think Marciano got the perfect fight. He would kill Wlad. The guy had a fantastic chin and Wlad's is shit. I would say he KO's Wlad in the first round.

I agree that the Rock would win but a lot of people think Wladimir could win.

freakzilla wrote:

Soonermark890 wrote:

freakzilla wrote:I just basically matched them up with style fights. Lewis and Tunney for instance are both smart fighters. Marciano vs Wladimir for the size difference etc.

I think Marciano got the perfect fight. He would kill Wlad. The guy had a fantastic chin and Wlad's is shit. I would say he KO's Wlad in the first round.

I agree that the Rock would win but a lot of people think Wladimir could win.

I dont see how. Wlad has had massive problems with guys who can take a shot and have power. Marciano to me is the perfect storm for him.

I think just for the size difference.

boxinglawyer wrote:

freakzilla wrote:Just vote for who you think would win each fight if both fighters were at their peak in a 12 round fight.

1. Muhammad Ali vs
2. Joe Louis vs Joe Frazier
3. Rocky Marciano vs Wladimir Klitschko
4. Larry Holmes vs Floyd Patterson
5. George Foreman vs Jack Dempsey
6. Lennox Lewis vs
7. Sonny Liston vs
8. Mike Tyson vs Jack Johnson

Holyfield. He actually matches up very well with Ali. The fight would be a tactical battle and a LOT of fun. Before you freak out, I rate Ali behind only Louis as a fighter, but this is a matter of styles. Holyfield (along with Holmes) is one of the few fighters who can actually OUTJAB Ali. He is also capable of fighting in different styles while Ali is not. Basically, if Ali can out-jab you or out-tough you he is out of ideas. Holyfield would have a HUGE advantage over Ali on the inside and at close range due to his superior punch-selection and in-fighting skills. At long range the fight would favor Ali, but not by a huge margin. I think Holyfield takes a close decision.

I think Louis catches Frazier early and probably does enough damage to bring a TKO victory. If the fight goes long, Frazier would be in it but probably lose a close decision.

Marciano. At a huge disadvantage everywhere but where it counts. Heart, courage, will. The rock gets inside once and only once and Wvladimir wakes up a week later.

Holmes would stop Patterson inside of five rounds.

Foreman and Dempsey would be fun for a while before George overwhelms Jack in the mid-rounds. I think George might have to get up once or twice to do it though

Gene Tunney would have it ALLLLLL over Lewis in the skill and technique department. IF he avoids the big one from Lewis, Gene walks with a very boring an unexciting fight. Tunney was a very smart and tactical figher. He could keep things nice and slow since Lewis wasnt really a "go get em" type of fighter.

Liston vs Vitali is a puzzler for me. I think Vitali could probably counter enough of those dragging jabs from Liston to discourage or even stop Liston. Then again, I can see those jabs landing enough to bust Vitali up and stop him. Ill go Vitali on a coin toss.

Tyson would be smaller than Johnson, mentally weaker, and pretty much have all the same disadvantages he had against Holyfield, Lewis, Tillis, etc. etc. Johnson by UD.

Curious how you came up with the seeding for the tourney. Random, or with a pre-determined seating.

i actually agree with you that holyfield would be a tough fight for ali which is what i said in my post. holyfield has the right style to match up with him. i could see a trilogy if this fight actually happened. but again, i think ali wins just because he is the better fighter.

I find these mythical fights to be a little strange. I never would've thought of matching some of these guys up. Nevertheless, here we go.

(Please read: These are my opinions. I don't have a time machine or even a flux capacetor (Spelling) so I'm guessing like everyone else. Because I say it's so, does not mean I think it's unequivocally so. These are my opinions and like everyone else, I could be 100 percent wrong. Translation: If you have a different opinion, I'd be very interested in reading it, but I don't care to debate something I can never prove.)

1. Muhammad Ali vs Holyfield : Holyfield has a temper, a willingness to slug it out and is easy to hit. Good fighter, but a prime Ali uses him for a sparring partner.

2. Joe Louis vs Joe Frazier: Has anyone here ever seen Joe Louis fight? If so, why would anyone have a question about a match up like this? If Frazier avoids serious injury, I would consider it a victory for him.

3. Rocky Marciano vs Wladimir Klitschko (No comment.)

4. Larry Holmes vs Floyd Patterson:It is my opinion that Larry Homes is an overrated HW. I thought he ducked the whole HW division including some of the best fighters of his era (Dokes, Page, Thomas, etc.).

Yes, Ali and Liston beat up on Floyd Patterson. Fine, but Patterson was hell and Holmes gets caught with flush shots. I give Floyd a helluva chance in this one. That's if we could get Holmes in the ring. LOL

Let me say this about Holmes. On June 11, 1982, he fought Gerry Cooney, a fighter with two left feet, and seemed to have a difficult time. If I could go back in time and put Jerry Quarry in Cooney's place, I think we would've had a real fight that night and maybe even a new champion. That's what I think about Larry Holmes. (My opinion. A million people could disagree with me and a million could be right.)

5. George Foreman vs Jack Dempsey. Good match up. Two of the meanest men in the history of the sport. One dimensional George vs. 2 dimensional Jack. I'll take Jack in a very exciting fight worthy of a movie and maybe even a sequel.

6. Lennox Lewis vs Gene Tunney: I just can't see this one, and I make a living with my imagination. This just doesn't get the brain activity flowing for me.

7. Sonny Liston vs VK: Liston by easy KO.

8. Mike Tyson vs Jack Johnson: Tyson would never have taken this fight. If he did, Jack would've given him a nervous breakdown far before fight night.

Thanks for all your votes gents.

Round 1 results-

1. Muhammad Ali 7-1 Evander Holyfield
2. Joe Louis 7-1 Joe Frazier
3. Rocky Marciano 5-3 Wladimir Klitschko
4. Larry Holmes 6-2 Floyd Patterson
5. George Foreman 7-1 Jack Dempsey
6. Lennox Lewis 4-3 Gene Tunney
7. Sonny Liston 3-5 Vitali Klitschko
8. Mike Tyson 3-5 Jack Johnson

dmar5143 wrote:with no disrespect for anyone its time for me to take a long break from this site since it seems to enjoy science ficton a great deal.as described by one member here this aloof arragant know it all wanna be historion that knows shit about boxing will make a few comments..i enjoyed powerpunchers deep thought that he put into his effort in exploring the realm of science ficton.weather i agree fully or particaly with his picks is not the point.i especialy liked the comments he made about a tunney-lewis fiction fight.again with no disrespect intended to anyone when i read the comments like dempsey gets flattened in 40 seconds by a punch he didnt see coming im wondering did jack have as a negotiating item have to go in the ring blindfolded.or louis gets koed in one by frazier .a fighter who i believe was surely greater then ali yes thats right gets dumpted by a very predictible and very stupid fighter as far as ring iq goes in joe frazier.and finaly both vitali who doesnt belong in the tourney yet we question tunney in the same breath as ugh norton gets droped several times and so does liston yet it goes 12 rounds..why no 15 round fights by the way.
i thought as satire to start a tourney with the worst legit heavyweight champ that included ingo leon spinks canera douglas mike moorer etc etc..anyway if i want to continue reading science fiction ill return to the comic books of my youth with my all time favorite captain marvel followed by superman and batman.superman as clark kent isnt recognized by anyone because he lol wears a pair of eyeglasses.thats more believable then jack going down for the count in 40 seconds or louis going out in less then a round.again these are my thoughts from as one member described as a elitist arragant know it all wanna bee.one thing for certain i do recognize science ficton no matter how its masks itself.lone ranger anybody.

Somebody Mad!

It's called speculation and everyone here has a right to have their fun on these mythical match-ups as they see fit.

No need to get your panties in a bunch, just run yours back.

FYI, George WOULD flatten Jack swiftly. He beat the brakes off of a similar, more powerful and faster version of Dempsey in Joe Frazier. It is OK to respect the oldtimers while still acknowledging their limitations (as well as their advantages) against more modern fighters.

My take on Louis getting caught cold by a left hook is also solid speculation...or are we saying Schmeling could do something with his pedestrian right that Frazier could not with one of the best left hooks the game has ever seen? And no, much as Joe Louis gets all the respect I can muster, no way is he skillwise as good as Ali. Even in his prime he was too easy for Muhammed to hit, and Ali way too slick for Joe to catch up with. Conn is proof of this.

Look forward to jawin' with you on this when you get back.

Much props to you and enjoy your Sabbatical.