If Rocky Marciano fought in the 60's & 70's?

Instead of fighting between 1948-1956 if he had fought from 1968-1976 do you think he would've become the World Champion? how many losses would he have gotten on his record?

None...he would've KO'd everybody in his path, as Joe Louis would also.

Ali picks Marciano apart.

Ali wrote:Ali picks Marciano apart.

Really?

Ali wrote:Ali picks Marciano apart.

Not according to Ali.

I say he beats everyone except the Ali fight is a 50/50 fight.

I grew up hearing about Marciano & am as big a fan as anyone, but Liston would kill him.

flapanther2001 wrote:I grew up hearing about Marciano & am as big a fan as anyone, but Liston would kill him.

Why?

Soonermark890 wrote:

flapanther2001 wrote:I grew up hearing about Marciano & am as big a fan as anyone, but Liston would kill him.

Why?

Styles make fights. Marciano would walk into Liston's strengths.

flapanther2001 wrote:

Soonermark890 wrote:

flapanther2001 wrote:I grew up hearing about Marciano & am as big a fan as anyone, but Liston would kill him.

Why?

Styles make fights. Marciano would walk into Liston's strengths.

This match-up interests me. I think it would be a great topic on its own. I really have never thought about this one.

here we go again with this bullshit and thats what it is.im a huge baseball fan more so then boxing and i havent once heard stuff like what if the 61 yanks played today.what if the 55 dogers played todays rangers.liston will kill shit in this fight.what strenths did liston have.ive seen him fight a dozen times and hes not a massive puncher like folks believe.great jab that rocky would slip and counter.styles make fights but they dont make winners.theres a differnce that all here ignore thinking it makes winners.example if tyson and frazier fought we can expect a exciting slam bang fight.if holmes and ali fought we can expect a boring tactical fight that who ever controled a better jab wins a boring fight.if holmes and frazier fought we can expect the classic boxer-puncher vs slugger type of classical matchup.to pick a winner out of thoses fights and to be certained 100 or even 75 percent is wrong.the only thing is relatively certain is the type of fight we can expect because of styles.exciting boring or classical.thats it.thats how styles make fights.ill go further and say marciano had the style the power the stanima the grit to beat anyone anytime anywhere.today he would be fighting light heavy with todays weigh inns.ali also like rocky had the style and grit etc etc except conditioning since he came in at times so so still had the abilty to beat anyone anytime anywhere.
liston did some things well but some things so so.he was a big frontrunner.rocky and ali were not frontrunners.
ill go along with sooners thoughts which are accurate.
here we got a guy who never lost a fight and fought every style immaginable.in joe louis we got a guy who lost once in his prime and also fought every style immaginable.in ali we got a guy that lost 2 fights in his prime and fought most styles not all immaginable.all 3 fought some dam great fighters or dam good ones so if styles make winners then they proved that wrong especialy louis and rocky.
if folks wanna play the what ifs bullshit fine.then what if rocky fought today.if he was built the same hed be at lightheavy and kills everyone.does he not.or the what ifs since folks are bigger and so called stronger that stronger ill debate but 60 years later then rocky would be 6 ft 2 215 pounds.still small compared to most but how would you like to get hit by a 215 pound marciano..or louis will be almost 6 ft 4 220..want to talk what ifs think about that louis today.or jack johnson who in several ways was ahead of his time and well built at 6 ft 1 205..a pioneer in boxings infancy.now the what iffs.what if he saw tunney walcott charles ali fight.do you think he would learn from them.the moves the combos the cleaverness that jack could do if he had someone to learn from.what if over 100 years since he fought jeffries jack would be 6 ft 5 230-235.how would the klit brothers do against him.
liston was under adversity twice big time.he folded .and thats not a what if.there are things not considered in this styles make winners nonsence.in this case rocky hit harder then liston had far more stanima and indeed was stronger smarter.heart huge heart vs questionable heart.extra top conditioning vs medicore conditioning.a frontrunner vs a guy who can and will come from behind.
as i said 1000 times before i hate dislike this fantasy nonsence.recognize fighters for there true greatness.rocky louis ali are amoung the greatest of the greats liston was not.but yet liston destroys marciano and if he can do that he destroys dempsey and louis also.after all he will scare them with his big stare.and of course he hits but dont get hit back..maybe ill ask leotis martin about these what ifs.especialy if liston gets hit back.

Leotis Martin? Liston was 37 & done by then, yet still stopped Wepner, something Ali almost didn't do. This is a guy that crushed Patterson, Folley, Cleveland Williams, not just beat, crushed. Sure, it's all speculation, and I love Marciano, but Liston chewed up guys like Rocky. Shorter, come forward fighters were right in his wheelhouse.

Dmar part of your reply intrigued me. What if Marciano trained in today's world. Would he be bigger and stronger? Remember they frowned on weight training in his day which could be the reason he only weighed 185. You would know a lot more about this than I would given your background.

flapanther2001 wrote:Leotis Martin? Liston was 37 & done by then, yet still stopped Wepner, something Ali almost didn't do. This is a guy that crushed Patterson, Folley, Cleveland Williams, not just beat, crushed. Sure, it's all speculation, and I love Marciano, but Liston chewed up guys like Rocky. Shorter, come forward fighters were right in his wheelhouse.

But we are talking about a guy who might have had the greatest chin ever. Could he land cleanly enough and often enough on Rocky. People had a really hard time landing on Rocky cleanly because of his footwork. At least thats what I have read and seen in his fights is great footwork. Something Liston did struggle with was a guy with great footwork. Still this is interesting.

He would've been a bit bigger but he wouldn't have been taller like Dmar was suggesting.

freakzilla wrote:He would've been a bit bigger but he wouldn't have been taller like Dmar was suggesting.

Yeah but his height isnt really an issue. Look at the recent history of the sport. Brewster wasnt tall yet he KO'd Wlad. Tyson wasnt tall and neither was Holy.

Anyway, by the time Marciano retired in 1956 until when this question starts in 1968 there wasn't much advances in physical training.

freakzilla wrote:Anyway, by the time Marciano retired in 1956 until when this question starts in 1968 there wasn't much advances in physical training.

I was more thinking of today. I was going a bit off topic.

Soonermark890 wrote:

freakzilla wrote:He would've been a bit bigger but he wouldn't have been taller like Dmar was suggesting.

Yeah but his height isnt really an issue. Look at the recent history of the sport. Brewster wasnt tall yet he KO'd Wlad. Tyson wasnt tall and neither was Holy.

Have you seen Rocky fight? He was easy to hit, not a good thing against Liston. Toughest chin around, but damn....

Soonermark890 wrote:

flapanther2001 wrote:

Soonermark890 wrote:

flapanther2001 wrote:I grew up hearing about Marciano & am as big a fan as anyone, but Liston would kill him.

Why?

Styles make fights. Marciano would walk into Liston's strengths.

This match-up interests me. I think it would be a great topic on its own. I really have never thought about this one.

I was originally going to make this topic Rocky Marciano vs Sonny Liston then thought about all the match ups Marciano could've had in this time frame and changed it.

freakzilla wrote:He would've been a bit bigger but he wouldn't have been taller like Dmar was suggesting.

Rocky would be the greatest Lt Hvy/Cruiser ever if he fought now, but he wouldn't be taller.

flapanther2001 wrote:

Soonermark890 wrote:

freakzilla wrote:He would've been a bit bigger but he wouldn't have been taller like Dmar was suggesting.

Yeah but his height isnt really an issue. Look at the recent history of the sport. Brewster wasnt tall yet he KO'd Wlad. Tyson wasnt tall and neither was Holy.

Have you seen Rocky fight? He was easy to hit, not a good thing against Liston. Toughest chin around, but damn....

Yes but not cleanly with lots of power. Marciano smothered a lot of punches or rolled with them. The guy's footwork is highly underrated.

Soonermark890 wrote:

flapanther2001 wrote:

Soonermark890 wrote:

freakzilla wrote:He would've been a bit bigger but he wouldn't have been taller like Dmar was suggesting.

Yeah but his height isnt really an issue. Look at the recent history of the sport. Brewster wasnt tall yet he KO'd Wlad. Tyson wasnt tall and neither was Holy.

Have you seen Rocky fight? He was easy to hit, not a good thing against Liston. Toughest chin around, but damn....

Yes but not cleanly with lots of power. Marciano smothered a lot of punches or rolled with them. The guy's footwork is highly underrated.

Liston dropped guys with his jab!!! Rocky has been knocked down, cut up, hell, his nose was hanging off in one fight. Footwork? He was a bull, but footwork?

flapanther2001 wrote:

Soonermark890 wrote:

flapanther2001 wrote:

Soonermark890 wrote:

freakzilla wrote:He would've been a bit bigger but he wouldn't have been taller like Dmar was suggesting.

Yeah but his height isnt really an issue. Look at the recent history of the sport. Brewster wasnt tall yet he KO'd Wlad. Tyson wasnt tall and neither was Holy.

Have you seen Rocky fight? He was easy to hit, not a good thing against Liston. Toughest chin around, but damn....

Yes but not cleanly with lots of power. Marciano smothered a lot of punches or rolled with them. The guy's footwork is highly underrated.

Liston dropped guys with his jab!!! Rocky has been knocked down, cut up, hell, his nose was hanging off in one fight. Footwork? He was a bull, but footwork?

It takes some great footwork to get inside and fight that way. We are not talking about movement. We are talking about footwork.

flapanther2001 wrote:Leotis Martin? Liston was 37 & done by then, yet still stopped Wepner, something Ali almost didn't do. This is a guy that crushed Patterson, Folley, Cleveland Williams, not just beat, crushed. Sure, it's all speculation, and I love Marciano, but Liston chewed up guys like Rocky. Shorter, come forward fighters were right in his wheelhouse.

...first the topic had the years 1968-1976.who is to say rocky would come foward.liston liked to move foward also so rocky would not have to go looking for him.zora foley was a joke.cleve williams claim to fame was he sluged it out with liston yet koed not one top fighter.they beat him.bob satterfield at 175 pounds knocked williams cold.liston lol stoped weapner on cuts.weapner actualy was giving liston a go around.marciano also would of crushed patterson foley williams ..mac foster not once but twice koed liston in sparing.liston gets hit and he will often will go down.rocky faced smarter and yes harder punchers then liston.walcott i feel could hit harder no doubt louis even at that stage...freak in 60 years you think men in general didnt grow 3 inches taller.all one has to do is look at the baseball players height during 1951 -54 especialy pitchers.5-10 to 6 ft was the norm for pitchers .today its 6 ft 4 plus.
examine how liston punches patterson in the second fight or mike dejohn etc etc thoses shots dont fase rocky..liston got beat by a marty marshall.yeah a broken jaw.what if rocky or louis hit that moving foward target of liston.hes out.