The Paul Williams vs Lara fight is the reason boxing is failing

That decision was the worst I have ever seen. The fight was obviously fixed and this is the reason boxing fans are not watching the sport as much. Lara fights his heart out and beats PW up in almost every round and gets a loss. What bullshit. Everyone involved in this fight should be investigated and every boxing writer in the country better be writing about it right now. WHAT A FUCKING JOKE!!!!

I'm so mad i'm shaking.

On the plus side, this bumps me to 2-1 on GOR tonight.

NJBeatdown86 wrote:I'm so mad i'm shaking.

On the plus side, this bumps me to 2-1 on GOR tonight.

Its just sad. Greed is ruining this sport nothing else. We can talk about all these reasons but it comes down to just plain and simple greed.

What are the chances of a fight like this getting switched to a no decision?

Shaun wrote:What are the chances of a fight like this getting switched to a no decision?

It would have had to be in Cuba for that to happen.

Shaun wrote:What are the chances of a fight like this getting switched to a no decision?

slim to none

I missed first 3 rounds. Lederman scored them 3-0 for Lara. Rafael scored those rounds 3-0 for Lara as well.

I watched rounds 4-12. I scored those 9 rounds 6-3 for Lara.

Max went by press row and asked how those guys scored it. He said on telecast anywhere from 8-4 to 10-2 for Lara.

Then Max had to point out the bullshit PW vs Martinez I scorecard, where a judge had PW winning 11 rounds. And that was a fight that was basically even (I had Martinez up but a decent amt had PW winning). But 1 judge got paid or was so in love with PW that he gave him 11 rounds.

Now this. Such bullshit.

Canvas wrote:

Shaun wrote:What are the chances of a fight like this getting switched to a no decision?

slim to none

or as I like to say, slim to none, and slim just walked out the door.

That was the definition of a robbery. Glen Johnson take note.

I know there is absolutely no proof to back any of this up but:

Fuck Al Haymon, crooked piece of shit

Fuck HBO

Fuck Al's fighters

I know i'm overreacting here, but shit like this just kills the interest from casual fans. Thank god it was Williams-Lara and only us hardcore fans were watching. Okay i'm done yelling and cursing.

NJBeatdown86 wrote:I know there is absolutely no proof to back any of this up but:

Fuck Al Haymon, crooked piece of shit

Fuck HBO

Fuck Al's fighters

I know i'm overreacting here, but shit like this just kills the interest from casual fans. Thank god it was Williams-Lara and only us hardcore fans were watching. Okay i'm done yelling and cursing.

No no please continue.

go to fightnews.com. It is a website that is constantly putting up news and I like the site.

It has a poll up immediately regarding the decision in that fight. Go vote in it.

That was pretty rough. Sort of surreal bordering on the macabre.

Lara has seen enough tough breaks to last a lifetime. Poor guy.

ScottLevinson wrote:That was pretty rough. Sort of surreal bordering on the macabre.

Lara has seen enough tough breaks to last a lifetime. Poor guy.

If they make Martinez vs PW, PW is getting absolutely stretched again (or even worse he takes a hellacious beating for a while then gets stretched). As I pointed out during the fight (before HBO did); PW is a sucker for the straight left (especially when you lead with it). Quintana won their first fight by landing the straight left lead. Martinez should have won their first fight, and stretched his ass in the rematch. Now, Lara lands the straight left to what should have been a comfortable 8-4 to 10-2 type decision on all 3 cards.

And PW's trainer said something dumb like you have to not let him you with the left hand.

How do you do that dummy??? I'd have PW fight taller, stay behind the jab, keep his right hand up, etc... But you just say PW was letting people hit him with that shot. Dumb SOB for a trainer.

The first Martinez fight.

The second Martinez fight, Williams gets introduced last and put in the champions corner. Gets the high end of the split.

now this.

Williams will be back in another HBO showcase for an absurdly high purse.

Meanwhile Sergio Martinez has to beg for a TV date and a million dollar payday, after doing everything HBO has asked.

Canvas wrote:The first Martinez fight.

The second Martinez fight, Williams gets introduced last and put in the champions corner. Gets the high end of the split.

now this.

Williams will be back in another HBO showcase for an absurdly high purse.

Meanwhile Sergio Martinez has to beg for a TV date and a million dollar payday, after doing everything HBO has asked.

I'd guess that the situation makes HBO's announcing crew absolutely sick. But Haymon gets what he wants and HBO bends over for him every time. Unfucking believable. How the fuck did he get that decision.

In a little more than half a year, Pw has gone from the second coming to a guy who looks to be on his way out. Strange career. Not sure after Quintana why they'd want to line up one slick leftie after the next, but that's on them.

I'm trying to think of decisions worse than this in fights I saw.

Lennox-Holy I maybe, but Lennox fought like a puss so the outrage eventually settled.

Maybe Ramirez-Whitaker? That's a long time ago.

ScottLevinson wrote:In a little more than half a year, Pw has gone from the second coming to a guy who looks to be on his way out. Strange career. Not sure after Quintana why they'd want to line up one slick leftie after the next, but that's on them.

. While PW is a sucker for a straight left, he gets tagged by right handers as well. Cheato, Quintana, Martinez, Cintron, and Lara all tagged him with some big shots. He needed a new trainer a long time ago. He could have been taught how to fight taller, keep his hands up, jab more, etc...

They thought his eat punches and outwork guys strategy would work against top competition. I think he is proving that it doesn't work long term. It is a short-term strategy. When you get to the top levels of the sport, you need to be able to use traditional boxing skills. If you don't and eat punches with your face, then your prime is going to be short, and after years of doing so, your chin will get dented.

captainanddew wrote:

Canvas wrote:The first Martinez fight.

The second Martinez fight, Williams gets introduced last and put in the champions corner. Gets the high end of the split.

now this.

Williams will be back in another HBO showcase for an absurdly high purse.

Meanwhile Sergio Martinez has to beg for a TV date and a million dollar payday, after doing everything HBO has asked.

I'd guess that the situation makes HBO's announcing crew absolutely sick. But Haymon gets what he wants and HBO bends over for him every time. Unfucking believable. How the fuck did he get that decision.

I know i'm not the first to say it but:

Haymon's
Boxing
Only

ScottLevinson wrote:I'm trying to think of decisions worse than this in fights I saw.

Lennox-Holy I maybe, but Lennox fought like a puss so the outrage eventually settled.

Maybe Ramirez-Whitaker? That's a long time ago.

don't mention any Whitaker robberies. As a guy from Virginia, I don't want to relive those robberies tonight after the travesty we've all seen.

On the plus side, my grandpa's buddy, a Cuban guy whose a big fan of boxing and has been in the hospital lately, will get a kick out of how the damn Yanquis have to rig the fights to prevent the Cubanos from winning.

captainanddew wrote:

ScottLevinson wrote:I'm trying to think of decisions worse than this in fights I saw.

Lennox-Holy I maybe, but Lennox fought like a puss so the outrage eventually settled.

Maybe Ramirez-Whitaker? That's a long time ago.

don't mention any Whitaker robberies. As a guy from Virginia, I don't want to relive those robberies tonight after the travesty we've all seen.

I want to forget it too.

ScottLevinson wrote:In a little more than half a year, Pw has gone from the second coming to a guy who looks to be on his way out. Strange career. Not sure after Quintana why they'd want to line up one slick leftie after the next, but that's on them.

They're delusional, or they know something we don't. I found it very cryptic and foretelling that during the Max Kellerman interview George Peterson, when pressed about Williams lack of defense, obvious poor showing and possible retirement, remarked that the fight wasn't over yet and he would make a decision or comment after the fight. That interview was in the 10th round I believe. Most trainers would have said that Williams needs a knockout or any other cliche that trainers say when their fighters are losing or taking too much punishment. Williams, by most accounts, was taking too much punishment, losing the fight and had alluded to retiring in the not so distant future. Peterson's comments point to either their delusion about the skills of the man he's training or that this one is in the pocket and Uncle Al has assured him that if "The Punisher" can last the full 12 he'll get the win.

PS Peterson is the same guy that said Sergio Martinez landed a lucky punch on Williams in November.

Everyone of the judges should be brought in front of a state panel, and forced to explain themselves. Their emails, ect should be made public.

Total bullshit

Why I hate Greenburg/Hayman run HBO Sports. The fact that Williams after getting dealt with the way he did and being in-active for over six months get's to headline a HBO fight is all you need to know.

Williams should be 0-4 in his last 4 fights