Who's next for Sergio Martinez ?

Guest Sun Mar 18, 2012 12:31 am

Who's next for Martinez ?

Dimitri Pirog and Gennedy bring nothing to the table
Jermain Taylor's still not ready
Andy Lee would be fun but I'd much rather see him face Macklin next
Felix Sturm ain't leaving Germany
James Kirkland could be a possibility if he gets past Carlos Molina next week
A third Paul Williams fight will always be on the table
Daniel Geale might get lucky
Chavez Jr......lol yeah right

I think Kirkland will be most likely as long as that china remains intact next week.

hardcorebee24 Sun Mar 18, 2012 12:33 am

Martinez would fucking kill James Kirkland.

Guest Sun Mar 18, 2012 12:34 am

hardcorebee24 wrote:Martinez would fucking kill James Kirkland.

Yup but the MW division is bare, it's been like this for a long time.

hardcorebee24 Sun Mar 18, 2012 12:37 am

Hagler's Bald Head wrote:
hardcorebee24 wrote:Martinez would fucking kill James Kirkland.

Yup but the MW division is bare, it's been like this for a long time.

Sturm will retire soon. Pirog should do what Adamek did and move here, fight in NY four times next year in front of Russians and make a name for himself beating up anyone and everyone and he'd secure a HUGE money fight at the weight. Golovkin should do the same.

**GrantZilla** Sun Mar 18, 2012 4:00 am

Brian Campbell
At 37, Sergio needs to forget 168 or wasting more time at 160 (unless vs. Chavez). It's 154 fights vs. Floyd, Canelo, Cotto or nothing.

This guy needs to get a clue. None of those guys will ever fight Martinez. If he moves to 154 the best he'd get is maybe Bundrage

hardcorebee24 Sun Mar 18, 2012 4:07 am

GrantZilla wrote:Brian Campbell
At 37, Sergio needs to forget 168 or wasting more time at 160 (unless vs. Chavez). It's 154 fights vs. Floyd, Canelo, Cotto or nothing.

This guy needs to get a clue. None of those guys will ever fight Martinez. If he moves to 154 the best he'd get is maybe Bundrage

And who the fuck wants that fight? 154 and 160 are totally bare. He should stay at 160 and take on all comers like he's currently doing. Hopkins lived at the division for many years and Monzon and Hagler lived there forever. Kirkland won't be a Jr. Middle for much longer and guys like Molina, Trout and Alvarez will all move up soon. He currently has Geale, Lee, Quillan, Njiakim to contend with. I say stay at the weight fight in Miami or places with large Argentine population, or big market joints like the Garden or AC.

**GrantZilla** Sun Mar 18, 2012 4:14 am

Martinez sadily will never be a draw. Which is a disgrace. Since becoming Middleweight Champ, he's knocked every one of his opponents the fuck out. All of his fights have been entertaining.

HBO needs to show Martinez the respect he deserves. Not like Hopkins was a huge draw either. Or Taylor. And not like Martinez is just fighting bums.

hardcorebee24 Sun Mar 18, 2012 4:21 am

GrantZilla wrote:Martinez sadily will never be a draw. Which is a disgrace. Since becoming Middleweight Champ, he's knocked every one of his opponents the fuck out. All of his fights have been entertaining.

HBO needs to show Martinez the respect he deserves. Not like Hopkins was a huge draw either. Or Taylor. And not like Martinez is just fighting bums.

HBO had no respect for the champ tonight. I don't know if there was something that they didn't like in the pre fight interviews or they just wanted an Irishman to win on St. Paddy's but they were pro Macklin. Macklin would shoot a hook that would catch glove or forearm and they would call it a big shot, Martinez lands two quick jabs and Lampley points out that they weren't "big Jabs" What the fuck is a big jab? Martinez who bruises easily looked unmarked after the fight. Sure he got hit but only a few shots were clean. The HBO team was in Macklin's corner tonight and it was a shame.

**GrantZilla** Sun Mar 18, 2012 4:27 am

HBO and HBO crew are all frontrunners. You're right, they wanted Macklin to win on St Paddy's day so they could sell the shit out of that gimick. Lure in all the Irish American crowds for his next fight.

How sad is it that fucking Antonio "The Maginic Man" Tarver is a less bias, pro at announcing then vets like Lampley and Merchant.

hardcorebee24 Sun Mar 18, 2012 4:36 am

GrantZilla wrote:HBO and HBO crew are all frontrunners. You're right, they wanted Macklin to win on St Paddy's day so they could sell the shit out of that gimick. Lure in all the Irish American crowds for his next fight.

How sad is it that fucking Antonio "The Maginic Man" Tarver is a less bias, pro at announcing then vets like Lampley and Merchant.

Probably because he's been on the other side of the coin. Tarver is really good. I like Roy too. He sees stuff the others miss and isn't bashful about it like Lennox was. Malignagi is an excellent fight analyst as well. He's very honest and insightful. I hope he stops soon and someone hires him to call fights. Hopkins ain't to shabby either. I love listening to him explain the game. He'd also be an excellent trainer/teacher of the sport.

SlickMoney Sun Mar 18, 2012 4:59 am

hardcorebee24 wrote:
GrantZilla wrote:Martinez sadily will never be a draw. Which is a disgrace. Since becoming Middleweight Champ, he's knocked every one of his opponents the fuck out. All of his fights have been entertaining.

HBO needs to show Martinez the respect he deserves. Not like Hopkins was a huge draw either. Or Taylor. And not like Martinez is just fighting bums.

HBO had no respect for the champ tonight. I don't know if there was something that they didn't like in the pre fight interviews or they just wanted an Irishman to win on St. Paddy's but they were pro Macklin. Macklin would shoot a hook that would catch glove or forearm and they would call it a big shot, Martinez lands two quick jabs and Lampley points out that they weren't "big Jabs" What the fuck is a big jab? Martinez who bruises easily looked unmarked after the fight. Sure he got hit but only a few shots were clean. The HBO team was in Macklin's corner tonight and it was a shame.

To be fair, Lampley was pro-Sergio tonight. He killed Merchant everytime Larry would go anti-Sergio.

hardcorebee24 Sun Mar 18, 2012 5:00 am

SlickMoney wrote:
hardcorebee24 wrote:
GrantZilla wrote:Martinez sadily will never be a draw. Which is a disgrace. Since becoming Middleweight Champ, he's knocked every one of his opponents the fuck out. All of his fights have been entertaining.

HBO needs to show Martinez the respect he deserves. Not like Hopkins was a huge draw either. Or Taylor. And not like Martinez is just fighting bums.

HBO had no respect for the champ tonight. I don't know if there was something that they didn't like in the pre fight interviews or they just wanted an Irishman to win on St. Paddy's but they were pro Macklin. Macklin would shoot a hook that would catch glove or forearm and they would call it a big shot, Martinez lands two quick jabs and Lampley points out that they weren't "big Jabs" What the fuck is a big jab? Martinez who bruises easily looked unmarked after the fight. Sure he got hit but only a few shots were clean. The HBO team was in Macklin's corner tonight and it was a shame.

To be fair, Lampley was pro-Sergio tonight. He killed Merchant everytime Larry would go anti-Sergio.

Fair enough.

**captainanddew** Sun Mar 18, 2012 8:11 am

GrantZilla wrote:Brian Campbell
At 37, Sergio needs to forget 168 or wasting more time at 160 (unless vs. Chavez). It's 154 fights vs. Floyd, Canelo, Cotto or nothing.

This guy needs to get a clue. None of those guys will ever fight Martinez. If he moves to 154 the best he'd get is maybe Bundrage

160-Chavez (Arum has been avoiding it and will have him drop the belt to avoid it)
160-Sturm-isn't going to come to US
160-Pirog-how much money would HBO pay?
160-Golovkin-again no money
160-Geale-isn't fighting in US
154-Canelo (hell no-golden boy isn't to throw their cash cow to Martinez; at the least they will have him lose to a Golden Boy fighter)
154-Cotto-if Cotto wins or loses and looks pretty decent against Floyd, no way he fights Martinez
154-Floyd-he isn't going to fight Martinez

Kirkland, Bundrage, would face him. Not the big money fights Martinez is expecting.

PW vs Martinez III. That is the biggest money fight. I wouldn't be suprised if it got made.

powerpuncher Sun Mar 18, 2012 9:45 am

he should just go to germany and fight sturm. split the pot 50/50 and KO him so that the judges wont be able to get involved. although that is just a dream because why would the actual middleweight champ have to go to germany to fight the imposter?

**captainanddew** Sun Mar 18, 2012 5:06 pm

powerpuncher wrote:he should just go to germany and fight sturm. split the pot 50/50 and KO him so that the judges wont be able to get involved. although that is just a dream because why would the actual middleweight champ have to go to germany to fight the imposter?

Sturm's team isn't going to accept 50/50.

They won't take the fight at all. Sturm can maintain his belt and keep fighting there.

Martinez could offer Sturm 90% and Sturm's team would turn it down. I shit you not.

It is entirely possible that Martinez could offer to fight Sturm for free and they would turn it down.

You can't make Sturm, Chavez Jr., Floyd, Cotto, Canelo, take the fight. I don't think any of those 5 guys will take the fight.

Why not? Because beating Sergio Martinez is not going to be easy and THEY CAN MAKE HUGE PAYDAYS FIGHTING EASIER FIGHTERS.

None of them need Sergio Martinez to make money.

Guest Sun Mar 18, 2012 8:19 pm

GrantZilla wrote:Brian Campbell
At 37, Sergio needs to forget 168 or wasting more time at 160 (unless vs. Chavez). It's 154 fights vs. Floyd, Canelo, Cotto or nothing.

This guy needs to get a clue. None of those guys will ever fight Martinez. If he moves to 154 the best he'd get is maybe Bundrage

Moving back to Jr Middleweight makes no sense at all for Martinez, it could even drain him at this point.

**captainanddew** Sun Mar 18, 2012 8:25 pm

Hagler's Bald Head wrote:
GrantZilla wrote:Brian Campbell
At 37, Sergio needs to forget 168 or wasting more time at 160 (unless vs. Chavez). It's 154 fights vs. Floyd, Canelo, Cotto or nothing.

This guy needs to get a clue. None of those guys will ever fight Martinez. If he moves to 154 the best he'd get is maybe Bundrage

Moving back to Jr Middleweight makes no sense at all for Martinez, it could even drain him at this point.

drain him. per his manager he was eating pretty normal and weighed under 158

Guest Sun Mar 18, 2012 8:27 pm

captainanddew wrote:
Hagler's Bald Head wrote:
GrantZilla wrote:Brian Campbell
At 37, Sergio needs to forget 168 or wasting more time at 160 (unless vs. Chavez). It's 154 fights vs. Floyd, Canelo, Cotto or nothing.

This guy needs to get a clue. None of those guys will ever fight Martinez. If he moves to 154 the best he'd get is maybe Bundrage

Moving back to Jr Middleweight makes no sense at all for Martinez, it could even drain him at this point.

drain him. per his manager he was eating pretty normal and weighed under 158

It's still a risky move for a 37 year old to drop down in weight after multiple fights at Middleweight, Sergio even said himself once that he gained alot of muscle mass fight at 160lb and wouldn't feel comfortable moving back.

154lb should only be risked for Mayweather.

**dmar5143** Mon Mar 19, 2012 8:29 am

unfortunetly theres no big money fight for martinez .chavez has alvarez in sight for s huge money fight.thats sergios only chance is chavez.alvarez has floyd or chavez as good possibiltites.floyd has alvarez in sight in a fight that he will make as much or more then fighting pac.
geale if he was from the uk would be sergios big money fight.a good 6 million dollar payday selling 15000 or more tickets and a solid ppv in england since sergio is known there based on his last 2 fights..unfortunetly australia isnt the uk.floyd also has berto if he beats ortiz.see floyd doesnt need pac to make 30-40 million a fight and that fight simply isnt happening.nor is the risk fight with martinez.
the window for martinez is closing fast.its not age since the guys realy 30 at the most physicaly.hes vulnerable for a loss.remember a few months ago i said in the past ive seen good fighters that come on the sceen for 3 or 4 years seem unbeatable then the roof caves in.that could be sergio..
a question for the guys over the pond.can martin murray sell tickets there with sergio.can they hype the fight for ppv.if so thats his next fight.the brits are great boxing fans maybe the best in the world.sergio is known there.he surely can make at least the same that hbo will pay by going there even if its not ppv.if it is theres 4 million at least for martinez.thats 3 plus hbo fights.
sturm isnt a opption i feel.fuck pirog whos done zero to earn the fight and brings zero to the table.
id advise him to stay at 160.fighting a ward isnt going to bring in more cash.nor does it make sence.so the options is chavez or the uk..and guys please dont think a martinez win or wipeout against chavez is a given.it isnt.its big money for sure.so is a alvarez fight.unfortunetly both fighters have more options for now then sergio..

**dmar5143** Mon Mar 19, 2012 8:35 am

if cotto pulls an upset how big is the cotto-alvarez fight.another alvarez option.

Gumby Tue Mar 20, 2012 8:35 pm

Hagler's Bald Head wrote:
captainanddew wrote:
Hagler's Bald Head wrote:
GrantZilla wrote:Brian Campbell
At 37, Sergio needs to forget 168 or wasting more time at 160 (unless vs. Chavez). It's 154 fights vs. Floyd, Canelo, Cotto or nothing.

This guy needs to get a clue. None of those guys will ever fight Martinez. If he moves to 154 the best he'd get is maybe Bundrage

Moving back to Jr Middleweight makes no sense at all for Martinez, it could even drain him at this point.

drain him. per his manager he was eating pretty normal and weighed under 158

It's still a risky move for a 37 year old to drop down in weight after multiple fights at Middleweight, Sergio even said himself once that he gained alot of muscle mass fight at 160lb and wouldn't feel comfortable moving back.

154lb should only be risked for Mayweather.

If Canelo establishes himself as the man by the end of the year he would be worth it.

**captainanddew** Wed Mar 21, 2012 12:41 am

Gumby wrote:
Hagler's Bald Head wrote:
captainanddew wrote:
Hagler's Bald Head wrote:
GrantZilla wrote:Brian Campbell
At 37, Sergio needs to forget 168 or wasting more time at 160 (unless vs. Chavez). It's 154 fights vs. Floyd, Canelo, Cotto or nothing.

This guy needs to get a clue. None of those guys will ever fight Martinez. If he moves to 154 the best he'd get is maybe Bundrage

Moving back to Jr Middleweight makes no sense at all for Martinez, it could even drain him at this point.

drain him. per his manager he was eating pretty normal and weighed under 158

It's still a risky move for a 37 year old to drop down in weight after multiple fights at Middleweight, Sergio even said himself once that he gained alot of muscle mass fight at 160lb and wouldn't feel comfortable moving back.

154lb should only be risked for Mayweather.
If Canelo establishes himself as the man by the end of the year he would be worth it.

How does Martinez get Canelo in the ring? Canelo is a Golden Boy fighter.

Golden Boy is not going to risk their cash cow against Martinez.

If Canelo is put into very risky fights, they will be fights where Golden Boy has the other fighter under contract. That way Canelo can rebuild and the guy that beats Canelo can make Golden Boy more money from the exposure.

If Martinez beats Canelo, then Golden Boy, has to rebuild their cash cow, and they don't get shit from the loss.

**captainanddew** Wed Mar 21, 2012 12:44 am

A Canelo vs Martinez fight doesn't make enough money to risk the ongoing lucrative Canelo fights (versus lesser opponents).

Golden Boy is not going to risk such a lucrative cash flow stream.

Same as Martinez vs Chavez Jr. It doesn't make enough money to throw away the ongoing lucrative Chavez Jr. vs lesser opponents.

Top Rank has not and will not in the future risk such a lucrative cash flow stream.

IF the WBC forces Chavez Jr. to fight Martinez, I think Top Rank will come up with some bullshit excuse for Chavez Jr. to dump the belt. Anything to keep martinez from destroying their fighter and all the money he brings in.

hillsicc303 Wed Mar 21, 2012 2:30 am

I've said it 100 times... Sergio needs to look up, not down. There is a LOADED division right above him. He needs to move up, period. There are big fights for him there, so big that he would be the underdog in most of them.

If he really wants to challenge himself, he moves up, moves up and stops chasing the Floyd-Manny cash out that he's after....

**GrantZilla** Wed Mar 21, 2012 3:23 am

hillsicc303 wrote:I've said it 100 times... Sergio needs to look up, not down. There is a LOADED division right above him. He needs to move up, period. There are big fights for him there, so big that he would be the underdog in most of them.

If he really wants to challenge himself, he moves up, moves up and stops chasing the Floyd-Manny cash out that he's after....

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