Re: Ultimate David Haye vs Wladimir Klitschko thread

kbyte Sat Jul 02, 2011 7:13 pm

Ali wrote:I am not grasping at anything, Wladimir is the better bigger guy, he won fair and square !!! But it still doesn't change the fact the ref was an incompetent fool.

The ref did make two bad calls in the fight. The first was taking a point off Wlad for Haye falling around the place and the second was taking a point off Haye when there was no knockdown. The second made up for the first. Either way it didn't make a difference.

Guest Sat Jul 02, 2011 7:14 pm

Haye put in a tougher performance than i thought he would. Other than that, no surprises. I knew he would run. I knew he would lunge in off balance like he always has. I knew he would complain to the ref about fouls.

Haye has shown great improvement since he debuted at Heavy. That is the best I can say of him after all the talking he has done and the BS tactics he pulled.

SlickMoney Sat Jul 02, 2011 7:15 pm

Dont expect much else from as guy who called Haye the Savior for so long.

You are grasping.

The ref had nothing to do with the fight so why bring him up?

You should be mad at Haye.

Guest Sat Jul 02, 2011 7:15 pm

kbyte wrote:
Ali wrote:I am not grasping at anything, Wladimir is the better bigger guy, he won fair and square !!! But it still doesn't change the fact the ref was an incompetent fool.

The ref did make two bad calls in the fight. The first was taking a point off Wlad for Haye falling around the place and the second was taking a point off Haye when there was no knockdown. The second made up for the first. Either way it didn't make a difference.

Haye was pushed to the ground by Wladimir multiple times.

Guest Sat Jul 02, 2011 7:17 pm

SlickMoney wrote:Dont expect much else from as guy who called Haye the Savior for so long.

You are grasping.

The ref had nothing to do with the fight so why bring him up?

You should be mad at Haye.

Why am I not allowed to complain about the ref ? he's an integral part of boxing.

WLADIMIR WON FAIR AND SQUARE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The Savior malarkey has always been a bit of fun, if you thought that was serious then I feel sorry for you.

SlickMoney Sat Jul 02, 2011 7:21 pm

If Haye complained about the ref wouldnt u consider it a joke?

The ref ,like the rest of us, was tired of Haye's pussy antics.

No need to feel sorry for me.

You were serious about it.

Im sure had Haye won u would be spewing that BS.

Guest Sat Jul 02, 2011 7:24 pm

Which broadcast did you warch Ali, SKY or HBO? I watched SKY.

Guest Sat Jul 02, 2011 7:26 pm

Canvas wrote:Which broadcast did you warch Ali, SKY or HBO? I watched SKY.

You know it was Sky, I live in Scotland Laughing

Although I'd much rather watch HBO, I've grown tired of Jim Watt.

kbyte Sat Jul 02, 2011 7:27 pm

Ali wrote:
kbyte wrote:
Ali wrote:I am not grasping at anything, Wladimir is the better bigger guy, he won fair and square !!! But it still doesn't change the fact the ref was an incompetent fool.

The ref did make two bad calls in the fight. The first was taking a point off Wlad for Haye falling around the place and the second was taking a point off Haye when there was no knockdown. The second made up for the first. Either way it didn't make a difference.

Haye was pushed to the ground by Wladimir multiple times.

Haye kept ducking below his waist after throwing a wild shot. A little girl could have pushed him over after that. Wlad didn't push him down on purpose. He pushed him for the bullshit knockdown though.

Guest Sat Jul 02, 2011 7:29 pm

I've moved and don't have cable any longer. Thankfully I found a very good stream. I could only find one with the SKY crew. I thought they were very good considering there was a British star involved. They didn't lay it on as thick as they sometimes do. All in all, they are an excellent crew.

BTW- LOL at Foreman's scorecard. Foreman and Jones Jr. are awful.

Guest Sat Jul 02, 2011 7:32 pm

Jim Watt is just too negative for my liking, every single big fight involving a brit he panics and whinges non stop. It's time they mixed it up.

I do like the banter between McGuigan and Nelson though, they're a good laugh.

Guest Sat Jul 02, 2011 7:34 pm

Anyone know who the blonde was in Wladimir's camp ? she was cute.

**captainanddew** Sat Jul 02, 2011 8:09 pm

Ali wrote:
gomez1012 wrote:blame the ref for Haye dropping to the floor??? lol

Haye was pushed down multiple times, yes Haye made it dramatic but Wladimir clearly does it in every single fight. Plus that knockdown call was a complete utter joke.

The ref reacted to Manny losing his cool.

bullshit!!! Haye ducks his head and whole body down every time he fell in. Most of the time it was him hoping to get a pt (and eventually a DQ). I am 6 ft 2 200 lbs and if he did that in front of me he would fall down. Yes, Wlad does push guys down. But someone who ducks his head and whole body down and hits Wlad in the kneecaps repeatedly is a joke. He caused it 70% of the time.

**captainanddew** Sat Jul 02, 2011 8:15 pm

Haye is a disgrace. His performance was rather similar to Ibragimov. Just add some head movement and some herky jerky ducking. Not alot different.

In fact, it is a discredit to Ibragimov.

from boxingscene: the compubox

* Ibragimov was even worse as he attempted just 318 punches, landing 97 of them, for 31 percent accuracy and an average output of 26.5 punches per round, nearly 20 under the norm.

did Haye attempt 318 punches over 12 rounds? doubtful. According to the BBC blog he landed 57 punches.

kbyte Sat Jul 02, 2011 8:18 pm

captainanddew wrote:Haye is a disgrace. His performance was rather similar to Ibragimov. Just add some head movement and some herky jerky ducking. Not alot different.

In fact, it is a discredit to Ibragimov.

from boxingscene: the compubox

* Ibragimov was even worse as he attempted just 318 punches, landing 97 of them, for 31 percent accuracy and an average output of 26.5 punches per round, nearly 20 under the norm.

did Haye attempt 318 punches over 12 rounds? doubtful. According to the BBC blog he landed 57 punches.

Wlad threw 216, Haye 215. Wlad landed 90 something punches. It was pretty poor from both of them.

Guest Sat Jul 02, 2011 8:20 pm

Disgrace, yet marked Wladimir's face up, buzzed him, and didn't keel over when Wladimir landed his right hand.

Haye did alot better than I expected, he actually had success with his own jab at times. But when you've got that 6'6, 82" reach Drago infront of you it's not an easy task.

**captainanddew** Sat Jul 02, 2011 8:25 pm

Ali wrote:

Disgrace, yet marked Wladimir's face up, buzzed him, and didn't keel over when Wladimir landed his right hand.

Haye did alot better than I expected, he actually had success with his own jab at times. But when you've got that 6'6, 82" reach Drago infront of you it's not an easy task.

Hard for Wlad to hit someone who is moving the entire fight. On their backfoot 90% of the time.

from the bbc's live blog during the fight:
he is controlling this fight and is breaking the will of Haye - who is now constantly complaining to the referee. Haye cannot get through as Klitschko continues to land with point scoring punches. Haye is off balance and slips again. Haye takes a huge right on the bell again and the Brit needs a miracle to win this fight.

Guest Sat Jul 02, 2011 8:28 pm

Haye is a World wide laughingstock now. The joke Valuev fight. The Fraudley disgrace, now this. Haye was all talk... no action.

Guest Sat Jul 02, 2011 8:30 pm

Haye was on the back foot because Wladimir was pressuring him from the opening bell, but I suppose you'll bitch and moan because Haye didn't just stand there and let Wladimir fire away.

Guest Sat Jul 02, 2011 8:31 pm

Canvas wrote:Haye is a World wide laughingstock now. The joke Valuev fight. The Fraudley disgrace, now this. Haye was all talk... no action.

Laughing stock for going the distance with the HW champ sure.

Two weight title holder, and a former lineal champ, god what a laughing stock.

**captainanddew** Sat Jul 02, 2011 8:35 pm

Ali wrote:Haye was on the back foot because Wladimir was pressuring him from the opening bell, but I suppose you'll bitch and moan because Haye didn't just stand there and let Wladimir fire away.

Almost every time that haye landed a right hand, he didn't even try to follow-up!!!! On one occasion, Larry Merchant, waited about 45 seconds after Haye landed a right hand, and he said, "landed a right hand and then followed up with...... nothing".

His performance reminded me of Chagaev, Ibragimov, and Chambers. If you aren't going to take a chance then why fight. And if you are risk adverse (which I can understand), you need to at least take a chance whenever you are doing well!!!!!!!!

SlickMoney Sat Jul 02, 2011 8:47 pm

Yes Haye's a laughingstock. He talked big and did nothing.

Shane has accomplished more than Haye and was still a laughinstock after his shitty performance against Pacquiao.

Haye = Laughingstock

Haye = HAREmaker

Haye = Soccer Flopper

Haye = Hype

**captainanddew** Sat Jul 02, 2011 8:52 pm

Ali wrote:
gomez1012 wrote:blame the ref for Haye dropping to the floor??? lol

Haye was pushed down multiple times, yes Haye made it dramatic but Wladimir clearly does it in every single fight. Plus that knockdown call was a complete utter joke.

The ref reacted to Manny losing his cool.

from the bbc write up
Klitschko was docked a point for leaning in round seven, although Haye, who was giving away more than two stone in weight, seemed to be going to ground a little too easily.

Guest Sat Jul 02, 2011 9:12 pm

Yeah he knocked out Macca (oooooooh...the great Macca). then ran his mouth insulting and disrespecting the heavyweight champ and demanded fights with K2 (that he didn't remotely deserve) and ran his mouth bragging about how much better he was and then following the champ around being an obnoxious loud mouth punk.

He criticized the performances of the champ and his challengers. He was an arrogant, yappy little dog. He claimed he was the best heavyweight in the world and would retire a great. He claimed he was better than the very accomplished and classy Klitschkos.

He then lied repeatedly about his ability and desire to fight the brothers. He lied about his drawing power. He wasted everyones time backing out of fights.

He gave an awful performance against Valuev to gain a plastic trinket that was stripped from the real champ. He then got touched up by a 39 year old shot former contender.... then he ran his lying mouth some more, backed out of another Klitschko fight to fight a British domestic Tomato can instead in another dreadful (and probably fixed) fight.

Then in the moment of truth, he was dominated. After all the talk.

I've been trying to tell you for the last 3 years what this guy was. You'll be better off if you put this loudmouth behind you. How much more of your money are you going to give to this con man ?

**gomez1012** Sat Jul 02, 2011 9:21 pm

gomez1012 wrote:Even Chagaev & Valuev had better runs as WBA champ lol

Still true

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