NACHO SAYS NO PAC FIGHT..

the articles in spanish but from what i gather natcho marquezs trainer says no 5th fight with pac but a yes to a rios fight.of course money may change that but jmm friends say he says no thus far because the desired result was achieved.
rios has a war coming up and if he wins how much punishment will he take can be a factor in marquez favor.at 140 and if rios excapes a lot of punishment id look for a upset.

If TR offers Marquez Pacquiao money they will be warring in November again.

They'll make far more money off a 5th Pac fight than anything with Rios (only a rematch with Flod will make more money than Pac). My guess is its JMM-Pac V in Sept., either in Vegas or Cowboys Stadium.

NJBeatdown86 wrote:They'll make far more money off a 5th Pac fight than anything with Rios (only a rematch with Flod will make more money than Pac). My guess is its JMM-Pac V in Sept., either in Vegas or Cowboys Stadium.

..it wont be either.rumor is china maybe if the fights a go.seriously.tax reasons but at what hour to get a ppv.

dmar5143 wrote:

NJBeatdown86 wrote:They'll make far more money off a 5th Pac fight than anything with Rios (only a rematch with Flod will make more money than Pac). My guess is its JMM-Pac V in Sept., either in Vegas or Cowboys Stadium.

..it wont be either.rumor is china maybe if the fights a go.seriously.tax reasons but at what hour to get a ppv.

Why can't they have it in Mexico? That would be amazing if they had it in a stadium in Mexico, full of Mexicans baying for Pac's blood lol

I think Marquez is doing the right thing by staying away from Pac. I took a long time coming out with my opinion about the last Pac-Marquez fight, but anyone who thinks Marquez was NOT on steroids of some kind also believes that O.J. is spending his time in jail looking for the real killers.

Not looking for some kind of discussion based on this. I see what I see, I hear what I hear, and then I make up my fucking mind. To quote Marquez. "It doesn't matter whether I was on steroids beacuse nobody could prove it." Define the word "it" in this sentence. It = I was on steroids. That's what's known as decoding a sentence.

I also think that Floyd M's fear of Manny along with the above fight ruined the sport for at least a good 5 years.

We're all entitled to our call. This happens to be mine.

mexico yes will do a good 80-100 thousand fans.frank any fighter that has as a nutritionalist a guy who is a so called steroid expert who happens to know how to beat tests and has supplied other athelets word class one with the stuff i would more then suspect as a user.there are too many quality nutritionalists that are experts and squeeky clean that are avalible.point well taken.

when you work with a strength trainer that is a former balco pusher that went so far as to go by a different last name(Heredia/Hernandez), then I question your gains.

I don't state it with certainty, but I question it.

Donaire is working with Victor Conte. I find that a bit bizarre, but Conte has been outspoken about PED use, his desire to help people clean up the sport, and Donaire has been doing year round random testing.

Donaire is the man I suspect the least. Outside of him, I wouldn't be surprised who came out dirty. I think of Andre Ward as a good man. I still wouldn't be shocked if it came out about him. It is too much temptation to say make about $4,000,000 in your career without the juice and sustain beatings or make at least 10x that with taking less beatings. Thats how I bet many of these guys look at it and they are close to right. Make more money and get more wins.

UBeeg9cats wrote:Donaire is the man I suspect the least. Outside of him, I wouldn't be surprised who came out dirty. I think of Andre Ward as a good man. I still wouldn't be shocked if it came out about him. It is too much temptation to say make about $4,000,000 in your career without the juice and sustain beatings or make at least 10x that with taking less beatings. Thats how I bet many of these guys look at it and they are close to right. Make more money and get more wins.

i highly doubt ward takes anything because his style doesnt really require it. i mean, he doesnt hit hard and doesnt use a lot of energy when he fights.

powerpuncher wrote:

UBeeg9cats wrote:Donaire is the man I suspect the least. Outside of him, I wouldn't be surprised who came out dirty. I think of Andre Ward as a good man. I still wouldn't be shocked if it came out about him. It is too much temptation to say make about $4,000,000 in your career without the juice and sustain beatings or make at least 10x that with taking less beatings. Thats how I bet many of these guys look at it and they are close to right. Make more money and get more wins.

i highly doubt ward takes anything because his style doesnt really require it. i mean, he doesnt hit hard and doesnt use a lot of energy when he fights.

I don't think he does either. I was using him as one of the least suspicious guys. A man supposedly of good character that has all the skills in the world shouldn't take PEDs. I am just that hardened by sports today. No one would shock me.

They will. Nacho said the same thing last time too. I want to see this fight again. From a fans point of view why not? They are always fun.

Frank wrote:I think Marquez is doing the right thing by staying away from Pac. I took a long time coming out with my opinion about the last Pac-Marquez fight, but anyone who thinks Marquez was NOT on steroids of some kind also believes that O.J. is spending his time in jail looking for the real killers.

Not looking for some kind of discussion based on this. I see what I see, I hear what I hear, and then I make up my fucking mind. To quote Marquez. "It doesn't matter whether I was on steroids beacuse nobody could prove it." Define the word "it" in this sentence. It = I was on steroids. That's what's known as decoding a sentence.

I also think that Floyd M's fear of Manny along with the above fight ruined the sport for at least a good 5 years.

We're all entitled to our call. This happens to be mine.

Personally i think to say Marquez was on PEDs vs Pac is the most bullshit double standard of all time (if the person saying it doesnt think pac was ever on PEDs also that is not saying you did or didnt). But there is literally no proof that marquez did anythng wrong other than specualtion because his appaearance changed? he was in no better shape than most boxers out there, and if we are playing that card, pac was absolutely shredded vs cotto as well. speculation can be raised about anyone and everyone at some point im sure, but to definitibively say a guy is cheating with absolutely no proof is an asinine witchhunting mentality. As far as im concerned pac got beat fair and square. he wasnt fighting the soft bloated JMM he beat the previous time. marquez got stronger with weight gain as anyone would. also, marquez looks slower in the last fight so its not like he miraculously packed on pounds got stronger and faster.

BoxingGenius wrote:

Frank wrote:I think Marquez is doing the right thing by staying away from Pac. I took a long time coming out with my opinion about the last Pac-Marquez fight, but anyone who thinks Marquez was NOT on steroids of some kind also believes that O.J. is spending his time in jail looking for the real killers.

Not looking for some kind of discussion based on this. I see what I see, I hear what I hear, and then I make up my fucking mind. To quote Marquez. "It doesn't matter whether I was on steroids beacuse nobody could prove it." Define the word "it" in this sentence. It = I was on steroids. That's what's known as decoding a sentence.

I also think that Floyd M's fear of Manny along with the above fight ruined the sport for at least a good 5 years.

We're all entitled to our call. This happens to be mine.

Personally i think to say Marquez was on PEDs vs Pac is the most bullshit double standard of all time (if the person saying it doesnt think pac was ever on PEDs also that is not saying you did or didnt). But there is literally no proof that marquez did anythng wrong other than specualtion because his appaearance changed? he was in no better shape than most boxers out there, and if we are playing that card, pac was absolutely shredded vs cotto as well. speculation can be raised about anyone and everyone at some point im sure, but to definitibively say a guy is cheating with absolutely no proof is an asinine witchhunting mentality. As far as im concerned pac got beat fair and square. he wasnt fighting the soft bloated JMM he beat the previous time. marquez got stronger with weight gain as anyone would. also, marquez looks slower in the last fight so its not like he miraculously packed on pounds got stronger and faster.

There is one key difference in the story of Pac and Marquez. One has a strength trainer who was part of the biggest steroid scandal of the last dozen years and one did not.