Re: showtime championship boxing thread

**captainanddew** Sun Feb 19, 2012 12:22 am

UBeeg9cats wrote:
powerpuncher wrote:
Canvas wrote:Cloud feels he won. Shame on him. Disgusting robbery. Boxing deserves to be niche.
i dont mind saying he thought he won but saying that campillo cant take a punch and is a decent fighter is dumb.

Its hard to admit you lost if you are competitive natured. He stayed in it mentally. He got 3 points in the first round and only needed 4 more rounds for a draw. Campillo should know about bad decisions.

Yeah, but to say no rematch and to talk shit about Campillo is stupid. I've seen plenty of fighters who think they won who don't say moronic shit.

hardcorebee24 Sun Feb 19, 2012 12:22 am

captainanddew wrote:
powerpuncher wrote:watching this fight, i think dawson whoops cloud.

I agree. I think I posted that stylistically Dawson was wrong for Cloud during this fight. If Cloud doesn't hurt dawson bad in the first couple of rounds, Dawson will jab, straight left, and turn Cloud all night.

Sooner thinks that Cloud is obviously tops in the division. I've literally been saying that Cloud is overrated since the first time I saw him.

**captainanddew** Sun Feb 19, 2012 12:24 am

captainanddew wrote:Showtime's judge, Giampa- has Campillo up 86-83.

He points out 2 judges for this fight haven't done a title fight???

WTF!!!!

Giampa said something like this during the fight and after the fight he said it was 1 title fight for 1 judge, 0 for another. Those are the 2 judges that scored the fight for Cloud.

**UBeeg9cats** Sun Feb 19, 2012 12:26 am

captainanddew wrote:
UBeeg9cats wrote:
powerpuncher wrote:
Canvas wrote:Cloud feels he won. Shame on him. Disgusting robbery. Boxing deserves to be niche.
i dont mind saying he thought he won but saying that campillo cant take a punch and is a decent fighter is dumb.

Its hard to admit you lost if you are competitive natured. He stayed in it mentally. He got 3 points in the first round and only needed 4 more rounds for a draw. Campillo should know about bad decisions.

Yeah, but to say no rematch and to talk shit about Campillo is stupid. I've seen plenty of fighters who think they won who don't say moronic shit.

I agree with you. IBF is the best of the ABC's (please kill me now for having to say that) so I believe the rematch will happen. Campillo won more rounds even on the official judges cards so Cloud is delusional for downplaying him.

Guest Sun Feb 19, 2012 12:28 am

captainanddew wrote:

Giampa said something like this during the fight and after the fight he said it was 1 title fight for 1 judge, 0 for another. Those are the 2 judges that scored the fight for Cloud.

Texas

**captainanddew** Sun Feb 19, 2012 12:30 am

UBeeg9cats wrote:
captainanddew wrote:
UBeeg9cats wrote:
powerpuncher wrote:
Canvas wrote:Cloud feels he won. Shame on him. Disgusting robbery. Boxing deserves to be niche.
i dont mind saying he thought he won but saying that campillo cant take a punch and is a decent fighter is dumb.

Its hard to admit you lost if you are competitive natured. He stayed in it mentally. He got 3 points in the first round and only needed 4 more rounds for a draw. Campillo should know about bad decisions.

Yeah, but to say no rematch and to talk shit about Campillo is stupid. I've seen plenty of fighters who think they won who don't say moronic shit.

I agree with you. IBF is the best of the ABC's (please kill me now for having to say that) so I believe the rematch will happen. Campillo won more rounds even on the official judges cards so Cloud is delusional for downplaying him.

why was there 2 judges who had so little experience at this level? A former beltholder fighting a current beltholder for his title. On Showtime. And there is 2 judges who have almost zero experience with title fights.

**UBeeg9cats** Sun Feb 19, 2012 12:31 am

Chisora Haye brawl on youtube:

SlickMoney Sun Feb 19, 2012 12:32 am

hardcorebee24 wrote:
captainanddew wrote:
powerpuncher wrote:watching this fight, i think dawson whoops cloud.

I agree. I think I posted that stylistically Dawson was wrong for Cloud during this fight. If Cloud doesn't hurt dawson bad in the first couple of rounds, Dawson will jab, straight left, and turn Cloud all night.

Sooner thinks that Cloud is obviously tops in the division. I've literally been saying that Cloud is overrated since the first time I saw him.

And qdagoverner who sucked Cloud for 3 years and only showed up when Pascal beat Dawson with an"I told u so" thread.

Where he at now???

**captainanddew** Sun Feb 19, 2012 12:32 am

UBeeg9cats wrote:Chisora Haye brawl on youtube:

chris mannix's tweets on it, make it seem like Chisora is one evil motherfucker.

**GrantZilla** Sun Feb 19, 2012 12:34 am

Can't justify 116-110 score. That was made before the fight even started

Rum Capital Sun Feb 19, 2012 12:35 am

hardcorebee24 wrote:
captainanddew wrote:
powerpuncher wrote:watching this fight, i think dawson whoops cloud.

I agree. I think I posted that stylistically Dawson was wrong for Cloud during this fight. If Cloud doesn't hurt dawson bad in the first couple of rounds, Dawson will jab, straight left, and turn Cloud all night.

Sooner thinks that Cloud is obviously tops in the division. I've literally been saying that Cloud is overrated since the first time I saw him.

that's just because you are a dawson hugger

**captainanddew** Sun Feb 19, 2012 12:35 am

GrantZilla wrote:Can't justify 116-110 score. That was made before the fight even started

that was an absolute joke.

Bernstein just pointed out PW's cup. Holy shit it is way too high.

hardcorebee24 Sun Feb 19, 2012 12:37 am

UBeeg9cats wrote:
powerpuncher wrote:
Canvas wrote:Cloud feels he won. Shame on him. Disgusting robbery. Boxing deserves to be niche.
i dont mind saying he thought he won but saying that campillo cant take a punch and is a decent fighter is dumb.

Its hard to admit you lost if you are competitive natured. He stayed in it mentally. He got 3 points in the first round and only needed 4 more rounds for a draw. Campillo should know about bad decisions.

Understandable, but to denigrate your opponent like he did is bullshit. He is one dimensional and does a ton wrong. He gets picked apart by Dawson and Hopkins. I think Froch and Dawson moving up would beat him as well.

hardcorebee24 Sun Feb 19, 2012 12:38 am

Rum Capital wrote:
hardcorebee24 wrote:
captainanddew wrote:
powerpuncher wrote:watching this fight, i think dawson whoops cloud.

I agree. I think I posted that stylistically Dawson was wrong for Cloud during this fight. If Cloud doesn't hurt dawson bad in the first couple of rounds, Dawson will jab, straight left, and turn Cloud all night.

Sooner thinks that Cloud is obviously tops in the division. I've literally been saying that Cloud is overrated since the first time I saw him.
that's just because you are a dawson hugger

That doesn't have anything to do with Cloud.

powerpuncher Sun Feb 19, 2012 12:42 am

pretty good fight so far. i have it 3-0 for williams but ishida did hurt williams with a punch that round.

**captainanddew** Sun Feb 19, 2012 12:44 am

those crazy Brits.

powerpuncher Sun Feb 19, 2012 12:46 am

4-0 for williams. its not that williams is easily winning each rounds but he is throwing more and landing a little more.

hardcorebee24 Sun Feb 19, 2012 12:47 am

powerpuncher wrote:4-0 for williams. its not that williams is easily winning each rounds but he is throwing more and landing a little more.

He doesn't look good doing so.

**captainanddew** Sun Feb 19, 2012 12:48 am

hardcorebee24 wrote:
powerpuncher wrote:4-0 for williams. its not that williams is easily winning each rounds but he is throwing more and landing a little more.

He doesn't look good doing so.

why didn't Lara get a rematch?

**captainanddew** Sun Feb 19, 2012 12:49 am

can we get rid of Gus Johnson? Please.

hardcorebee24 Sun Feb 19, 2012 12:50 am

captainanddew wrote:
hardcorebee24 wrote:
powerpuncher wrote:4-0 for williams. its not that williams is easily winning each rounds but he is throwing more and landing a little more.

He doesn't look good doing so.

why didn't Lara get a rematch?

Because of what Martinez did in the rematch, Williams can't afford another KO.

powerpuncher Sun Feb 19, 2012 12:51 am

captainanddew wrote:
hardcorebee24 wrote:
powerpuncher wrote:4-0 for williams. its not that williams is easily winning each rounds but he is throwing more and landing a little more.

He doesn't look good doing so.

why didn't Lara get a rematch?

why would williams want that? he doesnt want to get embarrassed again.

Rum Capital Sun Feb 19, 2012 12:54 am

Williams looks a little tired and discouraged

**UBeeg9cats** Sun Feb 19, 2012 12:59 am

As long as something unforeseen doesn't happen in the rest of this fight, where can Williams go from here? Could he get the Kirkland-Molina winner? Would he want him?

**captainanddew** Sun Feb 19, 2012 1:00 am

William Detloff argued on ringtv.com in an article a couple of years ago that volume punchers burned out early. He had a list of examples. Jeff Fenech, Ray Mancini, Ricky Hatton, Juan Diaz, etc...

What does a volume puncher have to fall back on? Not outboxing guys, not big punchers and KOing guys. Guys that just train their ass off and try to outwork you.

PW is 30, he's taken alot of shots, been KO'd violently. He can still fight, but he is likely no longer near the top of any division he will campaign in.

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