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Post  Guest Sun Mar 27, 2011 2:26 pm

Sampson Lewkowicz, the adviser to WBC Emeritus champion Sergio "Maravilla" Martinez (47-2, 26KOs), wants WBO champ Dmitry Pirog (18-0, 14KOs) to prove himself before going around and calling out his fighter. On Saturday night in Ekaterinburg, Russia - Pirog had a much tougher than expected time in winning a twelve round unanimous decision over optional challenger Javier Francisco Maciel (18-2, 12KOs). The scores were 115-112, 117-110 and 115-111.

Lewkowicz watched Pirog's fight. He believes the Russian boxer's performance has further pushed back a possible meeting between the two champions.

"I wanted to tell Dmitry Pirog, please don't mention Sergio Martinez after this kind of performance. Don't embarrass yourself by mentioning Sergio "Maravilla" Martinez. He needs to do a lot more to qualify himself to fight Martinez, who is the established champion of the people, and the WBC. He needs to do a lot more to be qualified to fight Martinez in the eyes of HBO," Lewkowicz told BoxingScene.com.

http://www.boxingscene.com/sergio-martinezs-adviser-pirog-mention-maravilla--37474

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Post  Guest Sun Mar 27, 2011 2:27 pm

So what if Pirog didn't set the world on fire with his latest performance, he's still a top ten Middleweight who's worthy of facing Martinez.

Andy Lee and Peter Manfredo can face Martinez but not Pirog No it's that kind of attitude that damages boxing.

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Post  gomez1012 Sun Mar 27, 2011 2:34 pm

This sport is also a business and Pirog does nothing for Martinez at this point

He needs to get Shaw/Schaefer to get Greenburg to promise him an HBO date Laughing
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Post  Guest Sun Mar 27, 2011 2:36 pm

gomez1012 wrote:This sport is also a business and Pirog does nothing for Martinez at this point

He needs to get Shaw/Schaefer to get Greenburg to promise him an HBO date Laughing

He's a top ten Middleweight who holds a trinket, and he's also got a highlight reel knockout of Golden Boy's golden Middleweigt.

Manfredo does nothing for Martinez.

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Post  gomez1012 Sun Mar 27, 2011 2:37 pm

Ali wrote:So what if Pirog didn't set the world on fire with his latest performance, he's still a top ten Middleweight who's worthy of facing Martinez.

Andy Lee and Peter Manfredo
can face Martinez but not Pirog No it's that kind of attitude that damages boxing.

They sell tickets!

Same reason why Mayorga fought Cotto and will continue to get offers
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Post  gomez1012 Sun Mar 27, 2011 2:40 pm

Ali wrote:
He's a top ten Middleweight who holds a trinket, and he's also got a highlight reel knockout of Golden Boy's golden Middleweigt.

Manfredo does nothing for Martinez.

Manfredo brings a known name, a packed Providence arena, easy oponent to look great against, and an HBO payday and exposure

Pirog doesnt bring a name, a meaningless trinket since Sergio is the MW champ, less money bc of that trinket, and one win over a GBP prospect

This is a business and considering where Martinez's career is at, Manfredo makes the most sense
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Post  captainanddew Sun Mar 27, 2011 2:47 pm

Ali wrote:
gomez1012 wrote:This sport is also a business and Pirog does nothing for Martinez at this point

He needs to get Shaw/Schaefer to get Greenburg to promise him an HBO date Laughing

He's a top ten Middleweight who holds a trinket, and he's also got a highlight reel knockout of Golden Boy's golden Middleweigt.

Manfredo does nothing for Martinez.

if anyone deserves one soft touch it is Martinez. Cintron, PW, Pavlik, PW, and Sergei D. is one of the strongest set of opponents of any fighter out there today.
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Post  Guest Sun Mar 27, 2011 2:49 pm

Malarkey, Martinez vs Pirog will sell and HBO would jump at it.

Peter Manfredo is a straight up bum, it's disgusting how Lou DiBella wants to feed us that garbage. I'd settle for Andy Lee since at least he earned a fight by knocking out McEwan on the undercard.

Martinez's team have really let that knockout of Williams go right to their heads, turning their noses up at Pirog and calling out Pacman and Mayweather like they're royaltly.

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Post  gomez1012 Sun Mar 27, 2011 2:55 pm

Ali wrote:Malarkey, Martinez vs Pirog will sell and HBO would jump at it.

Peter Manfredo is a straight up bum, it's disgusting how Lou DiBella wants to feed us that garbage. I'd settle for Andy Lee since at least he earned a fight by knocking out McEwan on the undercard.

Martinez's team have really let that knockout of Williams go right to their heads, turning their noses up at Pirog and calling out Pacman and Mayweather like they're royaltly.

Where?

Stay busy fights, TUNE UPS are a part of the sport

Khan vs McCloskey. nuff said, go take shots at the Bolton Bizzatch for that Irish can he's facing Twisted Evil


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Post  GrantZilla Sun Mar 27, 2011 2:56 pm

Bumfredo was showcased on network TV. People I know that are not up on boxing know who he is because they saw him on The Contender

This is why I say fighters and their handlers are morons. You take less money and try and get a fight on regular ESPN or on network TV. Exposure means more money and opportunity. Why all the guys off The Contender get these kind of fights
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Post  captainanddew Sun Mar 27, 2011 2:57 pm

Martinez has fought one of the toughest schedules of anyone out there. He deserves the soft touch, as long as he then schedules a top guy for 3 months later (which I think his team will).
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Post  gomez1012 Sun Mar 27, 2011 2:58 pm

GrantZilla wrote:Bumfredo was showcased on network TV. People I know that are not up on boxing know who he is because they saw him on The Contender

This is why I say fighters and their handlers are morons. You take less money and try and get a fight on regular ESPN or on network TV. Exposure means more money and opportunity. Why all the guys off The Contender get these kind of fights

+1

Being on the Contender and NBC made this guy well known regardless of the class of fighter he is, people know him so they pay to see him especially in his HOMETOWN where Lou plans on having the fight

Look at Mora, Brian Vera, even Sakio Bika got more fans bc of Contender appearances
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Post  Guest Sun Mar 27, 2011 3:00 pm

captainanddew wrote:Martinez has fought one of the toughest schedules of anyone out there. He deserves the soft touch, as long as he then schedules a top guy for 3 months later (which I think his team will).

Martinez hasn't got time for soft touches, he needs to strike while the iron is hot. And he especially doesn't need to face Manfredo when he wants so badly to the the P4P king.

What better way to stake your claim by conquering another top middleweight and asserting his dominance in the division.

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Post  gomez1012 Sun Mar 27, 2011 3:03 pm

Ali wrote:
Martinez hasn't got time for soft touches, he needs to strike while the iron is hot. And he especially doesn't need to face Manfredo when he wants so badly to the the P4P king.

What better way to stake your claim by conquering another top middleweight and asserting his dominance in the division.

Sturm would be the guy for this, not Pirog
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Post  Guest Sun Mar 27, 2011 3:06 pm

gomez1012 wrote:
Ali wrote:
Martinez hasn't got time for soft touches, he needs to strike while the iron is hot. And he especially doesn't need to face Manfredo when he wants so badly to the the P4P king.

What better way to stake your claim by conquering another top middleweight and asserting his dominance in the division.

Sturm would be the guy for this, not Pirog

Pirog, Sturm and the Sylvester vs Geale winner is who Martinez should really be looking at. During that time Kirkland can work his way back up the ladder to a potential fight down the road.

But of course none of that will happen because of pig headed men like DiBella Mad

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Post  GrantZilla Sun Mar 27, 2011 3:17 pm

If I knew I had a future star, I'd buy a chunk of time off network TV if I had too. Then try and recoup some of it with an advertising package. Sure, you'd probably lose money, but the exposure you'd get for your fighter would make him a good sell on PPV
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Post  GrantZilla Sun Mar 27, 2011 3:21 pm

Why aren't you saying this kind of shit about Khan fighting an unproven nobody? In fact you weren't you fine with it since Khan had just fought Maidiana?
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Post  Guest Sun Mar 27, 2011 3:25 pm

GrantZilla wrote:Why aren't you saying this kind of shit about Khan fighting an unproven nobody? In fact you weren't you fine with it since Khan had just fought Maidiana?

Khan's already agreed to face Timothy Bradley in July, this is just a keep busy fight to keep his UK base happy. And he's still a young fighter in his early twenties.

Martinez is 36 and has a shot window to build a legacy. If he wants an easy fight then face Andy Lee, at least he's an entertaining fighter who just scored a knockout on HBO. Peter Manfredo is garbage.

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Post  captainanddew Sun Mar 27, 2011 3:41 pm

Ali wrote:
gomez1012 wrote:
Ali wrote:
Martinez hasn't got time for soft touches, he needs to strike while the iron is hot. And he especially doesn't need to face Manfredo when he wants so badly to the the P4P king.

What better way to stake your claim by conquering another top middleweight and asserting his dominance in the division.

Sturm would be the guy for this, not Pirog

Pirog, Sturm and the Sylvester vs Geale winner is who Martinez should really be looking at. During that time Kirkland can work his way back up the ladder to a potential fight down the road.But of course none of that will happen because of pig headed men like DiBella Mad

Please people. Stop acting like Kirkland is going back up the ladder. He didn't go up the ladder the first time!!!! He wasn't facing top guys then!!!!!!

If you think Kirkland will show himself to be a top guy and beat some top talent, then I can accept that, but don't post as if he was a top 10 guy before he went to prison.
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Post  UBeeg9cats Sun Mar 27, 2011 3:43 pm

I like the idea of putting middleweight contenders on Sergio's undercard to earn a shot against him. He needs time to gain weight before moving up again or needs time until the Cotto-Margarito winner becomes available. I'm alright with the Manfredo fight if we got Lee-Vera or Lee-Pirog on the undercard.

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Post  captainanddew Sun Mar 27, 2011 3:44 pm

UBeeg9cats wrote:I like the idea of putting middleweight contenders on Sergio's undercard to earn a shot against him. He needs time to gain weight before moving up again or needs time until the Cotto-Margarito winner becomes available. I'm alright with the Manfredo fight if we got Lee-Vera or Lee-Pirog on the undercard.

Martinez has said he would have trouble going up to 168. He is a smallish middleweight.
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Post  GrantZilla Sun Mar 27, 2011 3:49 pm

I got no prob with Martinez fighting BumFredo. Marines will then go after the winner of the Bum Jr-Piroq because he wants his trinket back
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Post  Guest Sun Mar 27, 2011 3:51 pm

captainanddew wrote:
Ali wrote:
gomez1012 wrote:
Ali wrote:
Martinez hasn't got time for soft touches, he needs to strike while the iron is hot. And he especially doesn't need to face Manfredo when he wants so badly to the the P4P king.

What better way to stake your claim by conquering another top middleweight and asserting his dominance in the division.

Sturm would be the guy for this, not Pirog

Pirog, Sturm and the Sylvester vs Geale winner is who Martinez should really be looking at. During that time Kirkland can work his way back up the ladder to a potential fight down the road.But of course none of that will happen because of pig headed men like DiBella Mad

Please people. Stop acting like Kirkland is going back up the ladder. He didn't go up the ladder the first time!!!! He wasn't facing top guys then!!!!!!

If you think Kirkland will show himself to be a top guy and beat some top talent, then I can accept that, but don't post as if he was a top 10 guy before he went to prison.

James Kirkland was a top ten Jr Middleweight before he want to jail.

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Post  UBeeg9cats Sun Mar 27, 2011 3:52 pm

captainanddew wrote:
UBeeg9cats wrote:I like the idea of putting middleweight contenders on Sergio's undercard to earn a shot against him. He needs time to gain weight before moving up again or needs time until the Cotto-Margarito winner becomes available. I'm alright with the Manfredo fight if we got Lee-Vera or Lee-Pirog on the undercard.

Martinez has said he would have trouble going up to 168. He is a smallish middleweight.

I know he is small now but give him time. The names are all at SMW and he could do a catchweight with someone like Ward.

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Post  captainanddew Sun Mar 27, 2011 3:57 pm

Ali wrote:
captainanddew wrote:
Ali wrote:
gomez1012 wrote:
Ali wrote:
Martinez hasn't got time for soft touches, he needs to strike while the iron is hot. And he especially doesn't need to face Manfredo when he wants so badly to the the P4P king.

What better way to stake your claim by conquering another top middleweight and asserting his dominance in the division.

Sturm would be the guy for this, not Pirog

Pirog, Sturm and the Sylvester vs Geale winner is who Martinez should really be looking at. During that time Kirkland can work his way back up the ladder to a potential fight down the road.But of course none of that will happen because of pig headed men like DiBella Mad

Please people. Stop acting like Kirkland is going back up the ladder. He didn't go up the ladder the first time!!!! He wasn't facing top guys then!!!!!!

If you think Kirkland will show himself to be a top guy and beat some top talent, then I can accept that, but don't post as if he was a top 10 guy before he went to prison.

James Kirkland was a top ten Jr Middleweight before he want to jail.

oh wait he was 10th per ring at end of 2008. Didn't exactly face a single legit top 15 guy at 154 before he went to prison. Not 1!!!!!!
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