Carl Froch vs Glen Johnson heading to Atlantic City on June 4th

creating the Super 6 gave us fans what we really wanted. to see the best in a talent deep division face off against eachother to found out who really is the best. Hershman has done well to keep this going, it's time for Showtime to reap their benefits from it. and considering how much Hershman got fucked about in this tourney he deserves to be in control of the tournament's conclusion. i think Atlantic City will make a great venue, passionate fight crowds there and this will be a cracking fight

Agreed. Showtime doesn't pull in good ratings, you can bet Hershman won't do something like this again. It won't justify the headache and ratings-to-dollar investimate

GrantZilla wrote:Hardcore fans are not even 1% of the market, by just catering to us, to say you are limiting the audience is an understatement.

Showtime got 20 million subscribers, the majority you can bet are not boxing fans or casual fans. Casual fan does not go onto sites like this. They do not know when the fight is on, or likely what the Super Six is about.

That is why media attention is vital. If it's in the US the fighters will be available to the media. Especially if it's in a big media market

Showtime does not benefit from gate money or overseas ratings. They make their money by attracting and keeping subscribers, who are from the US.

I don't see Sky paying to have fights in the US

Again then the location doesn't matter, It's Showtime's job to advertise the fight on their network.

The final I can understand, but a semi final between an Englishman and Jamaican needs to be at a venue where it will sell.

Ali it will get no real media attention in the UK in the US. No media outlet is going to spend money to fly people to the UK to cover the fight.

As said, the ratings for fights in big media markets is dramatic over fights in small market casinos and out of country.

Again, Showtime does not benefit from gate sales. It's ratings. All the promoters knew the last part would be held in the US

grant just what big media coverage are you talking about.flying to england may be 300 dollars more then flying to another city in the usa.newspapers dont cover fights any more big time.the fronch-johnson fight will get little coverage in the papers.sergio martinez fight got zero coverage in the ny times before the fight.in the ny daily news it got one article 2 days before the fight and a standard writeup after the fight with results.ditto donaire montiel fight with both papers...charlotte is the 18th largest city in the usa.zero coverrage on boxing on almost every fight including pac.they showed a photo and a sentence under the photo giving the results.the daily news once a week has a columin on boxing.there isnt anything at all that exceeds or comes close to internet info on boxing like espns home page.im not talking there boxing home page but there regular all sports home page.
newspapers dont get hyped up for a fight anymore unless its a huge one.floyd-pac yes ali-frazier leanord duran etc etc..the time has long past where newspapers send reporters on a regular basis to cover fights in detail and 3 or 4 days of articles before a big fight..there coverage adds zip to ratings ..the networks have constant advertizing on there programing during shows or before movies etc etc like ali stated they even place adds at times in the newspaers sports section.even with that theres a margin of ratings they can expect.a range of low to a optomistic high.contrary to what some folks think these tv people know what there doing.mistakes at times yes are made but thats part of life...captain you live in va..how big is pre fight coverage on any fight in the washington post.a huge paper.or the baltimore papers for example or the richmond papers..did they give donaire montiel which was a big fight days of coverage.martinez williams etc etc..the statement on this great media coverage is a false impression that cause a fights here in the usa over canada ratings will go threw the roof.

to prove a point.hopkins a boring ass fighter that most of us hate watching and pasqual hardly a household name gave showtime its highest boxing ratings in 3 years..the fight was held in canada.that being out of the country so naturaly no media or a tiny media covered it.right.

Dmar, I notice facts mean nothing to you. Did you even read what I said? Ratings in big media marks get higher ratings than small market casinos and especialy fights overseas. The fight will get covered by the local media especialy if the fighters are accessible to them. When Jones Jr was promoting some fights in my area, they were in the paper and he was even on the local sports radio. Same thing when UFC had a fight here.

When Wlad fought Sultan in New York, he got more press than any of his fights before or since from the US

the fight will get better media coverage for the US market if it happens in the US. that doesn't need a scientist to figure out. Showtime's business is in the US. it's no good to Showtime only having hardcore fans watching this fight. local radio outlets, local news etc etc will be vital sales places for Showtime with regards to this fight. Showtime need to captivate the man driving to work with the radio on who hears an advertisement for a huge World Title fight happening in his home state. the man who thinks "geez that sounds like it's gonna be a helluva fight, i better make sure i catch that!"

dmar you are a hardcore boxing fan, yet you openly admit to always streaming fights you watch illegally through the internet. what good is it only trying to sell a product to a specific group that are most likely to source it elsewhere when they can target a larger audience? boxing does not survive only catering for the needs of the avid fan. the casual fan who really doesn't know what is going on in boxing but loves to watch a good fight with a few of his pals drinking a 6 pack is who Showtime need to target. all the marketing for a fight taking place in Canada will happen in Canada. fight week is vital, those press conferences in the run up to fight night and the weigh ins are all pivotal moments in the success of a TV show for boxing. theres going to be no interest for this fight in the US in the run up week if all the promotion is going on in Canada. that's just basic logic

i read what you said.you said if a fights in canada no media would attend but if its in the usa you strongly imply huge media will cover the fight from many areas.now you state just local media would attend.make up your mind..hopkins again a fighter that is boring meets pasqual in canada gets showtimes highest ratings.over fights broadcast from la and elsewhere.that proves you wrong.how do you know klitc got huge coverage in ny city but not in la..do you buy there papers.like usual tossing out a statement thats factless.heaven forbid if a fight is held outside the usa per grant..you where strongly against haye-wlad fighting overseas.fight in ny city look at the great coverage .till proven wrong that the fight belongs in europe.so folks lets just hold fights in ny city la chicago.thats epanding boxing to everyone.lets downgrade vegas cause its got casinios..vegas for years though made big fights possible that perhaps would of not been made and yes they were televised with big ratings also.they did help bring boxing to the general public cause the casino owners gambled took a chance.im for a fight being made and i could care less what city or country puts up the cash to get it made.negatism for fighting in europe cause its 5 pm here.negatism for fighting in great fight cites in canada even though there in our time zone.lets not have martinez fight in providence since its population is down to 150000 a small city.lets not have a fight in anyplace outside a big city for heaven forbid nobody will watch it on tv...thats what you say over and over.

dbudge showtime if the fights in canada advertises here mostly.again the highest ratings came from a fight in canada but the ratings are usa tvs...WE all catch streams on this forum.i just got hbo so ill watch on tv.dbudge do you not watch some of the streams on here.the fight can be held in china and if its broadcast here live joe 6 pack will see the adds on tv here.and deside if he wants to watch it.example the first 3 tenors concert was live in rome italy shoiwn by satilite tv worldwide where almost a billion folks saw it..how did that happen.strong interest thats how..heaven forbid a huge ratings in the usa from a show live in rome italy..i wish we all would stop being promoters and or tv executives because we know shit compared to them.

AC is developing into a great fight town.not far from philly or the city so tickets should sell providing there resonable.

You are beyond dense Dmar. If the local media is New York it's huge. If a fight is in Providance, guess what, Boston media will cover it sine Boston is about an hour away, and they cover most of stuff going on in New England.

Vegas fights only sell if big names are involved. Khan-Maidana fight was a half empty venue. Same with JMM-Diaze rematch. I don't even think Cotto's recent fight sold out. UFC fights bomb their too unless a big name is involved.

If Cotto had fought in New York, it would have drawn a bigger crowd and more coverage. Cotto vs Yuri Boreman in New York gave HBO their highest ratings. Year before that Vitali vs Arreola in LA gave them their highest ratings.

Hopkins vs Pascal got decent ratings because Hops did a lot of promoting it on ESPN, where he was on set.

boston is smaller then charlotte..no im not dense..i was talking about the vegas of a few years ago to several years ago.they did a lot to publisize boxing.of course boston and providence papers link coverage.its been going on since or before silvermans days in the 50s.of course non big fights in general will sell less far less then big fights.that doesnt make vegas a second rate fight town cause its not.nor is AC nor is foxwood nor is hardrock in hollywood florida.there all good fight areas and yes casinios also.i dont know if vegas still has a weekly fight card but for years it did featuring local prospects and it did well.overall they have been a plus for boxing.
boxings bright stars lie from welter on down and showcasing them i think will bring some fans back..look donaire fight sold out but it was i think a 2900 seat venue.the tv fight did him good.the 118 126 pound guys truly have sluggers that have skills and fight like the guys in the 1940s..action hard punching and excellent skills.thats boxing future for now.showcase it..the 168 pounders also.140 pounders..dont expect a huge sellout in most areas but a solid attendence and great fights.the crowds will come in time.if you put donaire in the garden he will not sell half out.
some fights like a chavez-alvarez ratings will go threw the roof and in la mexico texas will draw huge huge crowds..two stars yes.totaly unproven talent..what im trying to say is give tv promoters some slack.there not that stupid dispite some foolish moves.boxing is a world wide sport and europe and canada are a plus not a negative.if a good fight goes there then lets embrace it not slam it.thats what im trying to get across.no one has all the ansers but if you think you do then knock on arums door or hbos with your resume and business plan and aplly for work there.
untill then lets not constantly critize efforts of boxing folks on a regular basis..lets give them a little space...

What you going on about now? Yes, casinos have a purpose, but too many promitted just take the casino money and do nothing to actually sell the fight. Why should they when they don't have to sell the tickets, the casino does.

What started this is Showtime is a US network paid for by US subscribers. Not Europeans, not Canadians. If some Canadian channel wants to pay for fights in Canada, then go for it. As said, I don't see SKY paying to stage fights in the US