WHAT CAN EFFECT TONIGHTS OUTCOME.

conditioning training and intelligent adjustments are 3 keys that can determine tonights winner perhaps.all 3 ill gve the edge to marquez. first i want to adress something.i just watched clips of 24-7 number 3 to see what kevin i was hinting at in his last article saying peds and marquez are maybe hand in hand..he pointed out lol the huge bulging muscles on marquez and him squating with enormace poundages.then quoting victor conte saying without peds a guy could not walk for 2 or 3 days.both dont know what the fuck there talking about.period including mr expert conte.yes 8 years ago marquez was 130 today 143..13 pounds.whats the big deal.bulging muscles get the fuck out of here.indeed hes more muscular.anyone who knows anything about natural bodybulding realizes hard work with the correct exersize intelligent quality nutrition and a natural level of testosterone easly achieves thoses results.age 39 is not a factor that says it cant be done.i know that for a fact since i did weight training for years..i didnt find anything showing the so called huge poundage marquez squated with to see how much weight is on the bar.
in my early 40s i did quarter squats of 10 reps with huge poundage and no roids nor anything but a basic vitiman.735 pounds to be exact and not mickey mouse machines but real free weights.
anyone who has done excersize with weights knows yes theres soreness to deal with when you first start.after 2 weeks its gone.even if you did weights for years after a 2 week layoff soreness has to be delt with then after 5 or so workouts its gone.contes full of it if he thinks its forever.
so ill state maqrquez is natural dispite the trainer he has who was with conte.
viewing the clips i see very intelligent training in marquezs camp dealing with speed and power.the conditioning of running in spirts makes sence since you fight in spurts.agile lateral movement adds to balance and agilty.the fact that marquez is a willing student gives him the edge in that department of strenth and conditioning over pac who works hardbut is a prima donna.
ill take natcho over freddie in preparing the fighter especialy in adjustments.
watching both guys spar or hit the mitts bags etc etc i noticed both have good hand speed but marquez improved there pac has not.i noticed marquez hiting with more authority then before also and he has shortened his punches which adds to the speed factor.
marquez is puting together more intelligent combos also hiting in differnt directions.
he has hurt pac a few times in the past and with these improvements he can ko pac.theres no doubt in my mind on that.
pac says he will be more agressive so will marquez in spurts.
pac lol has challenge marquez to fight toe to toe the entire fight.yeah marquez is that stupid to have macho overrule a good fight plan.pac will have his wish.marquez will trade toe to toe in 5-10 second spurts and it could be effective since its pac coming in.
of course one big punch can turn the tide.both not just pac can deliver that.im fairly convinced this fight will not go 12.
i think natcho has perpared his fighter in all departments better then freddie.i think the strenth training etc etc go to marquez.the determination is equal for both.who is going to score that big punch that turns things around.that i dont know but ill say marquezs chances of doing that have greatly improved due to better intelligent preperation.that just may make the differnce..i think this will be the best fight out of the 4.there will be no scorecards.ill be suprized if there is.

marquez was 142 pounds for last year's weigh in. 143 pounds this time.

Do I trust anything heredia does? Not really.

Do I wonder? Yes

Do I look at him and immediately think his coach has him doping? No.

If Marquez wins, there will be more fights between them and I dont think thats a good thing. Both guys should just move on after this. Bob Arum is up to something fishy, I just know it. The reason Marquez cant beat Pacquaio is becuase their fights are promoted by Top Rank. Even if Marquez wins 12 of 12 rounds to the boxing public, two judges will find a way to give Pacquiao 7 rounds. All Marquez can do is fight and let the boxing public judge his fights. We are the reason these fight keep happening becuase Arum keeps rigging these fight, so we can all argue about the desicion and then we all want another fight.

captainanddew wrote:marquez was 142 pounds for last year's weigh in. 143 pounds this time.

Do I trust anything heredia does? Not really.

Do I wonder? Yes

Do I look at him and immediately think his coach has him doping? No.

I was pissed that Roach would even say Marquez was on steroids. First of all, Marquez did the olympic testing that Mayweather demanded in their fight and it was what Pacquaio refused to do, so he wouldnt fight Mayweather. To this day I believe Pacquiao was on some kind of PED. You dont make up countless of excuses to avoid a doping test, unless you have something to hide. Pacquiao had something to hide.

sorry.no way arum is rigging thoses fights.thats a claim with no validity at all.

Arum rigged those fights and a lot of other fights. He even rigged Pacquiao's last fight.

What can affect tonight's outcome? Pac's foot up Juan's ass.

Diego408 wrote:Arum rigged those fights and a lot of other fights. He even rigged Pacquiao's last fight.

..i have no idea where out of no where you make claims without proff or at least strong circumstantial evidence.at times your posts are good and at times there total nonsence.this claim and the claim that pac has refused blood testing is beyound total nonsence.you have as hardcore pointed out several times have contridicted yourself totaly.1.first your pissed that roach implied marquez is on peds.i dont blame you.2.yet your not pissed that floyd his uncle his father said pacs on something .3.a past test means nothing as far as the here and now.a lot can happen over 2 years or so.a non user can become a user for example.i believe marquez is clean.so is pac.
i find it absoltely disgracefull not only as a boxing fan but as a fair minded person that you or anyone else discredit folks to the point of defimation in the case that arum somehow riggs fights buy the judges because one of your favorite fighters did not get there nod.i saw the first two fights for pac round for round exactly like letterman.did arum influence our thoughts to justify his means.the third fight i had marquez wining.
pac in one form or another has agreed to bloodtesting and for a long while now has even agreed up to the day of the fight.hes never outright refused.thats fact not some delusional charges of total fiction that you just stated.
its time posters on this site to stand up for whats decent and honest and not stay silent when nonsence like this is tossed out there because of perhaps hatred towards a promoter or fighter.
either you come up with varifable facts and evidence backing these claims or shut up.
boxing yes has its credibilty problems but stuff like this errodes whats left of it.i realy think any forum that wishes to be a forum of quality and substance should not remain silent or tollerate damaging fiction like this.sorry i love to talk boxing not slander.

Diego408 wrote:Arum rigged those fights and a lot of other fights. He even rigged Pacquiao's last fight.

HUH? So then why didnt Arum rig the first fight? Why was it a draw? Why was there an error in scoring that went in JMM's favor? Thats some weird rigging.

Lets just be honest here. They all have been unbelievably close fights. They could have gone either way. The judges gave the fights to the more aggressive fighter plain and simple.

Any objective fan can say that all three fights could have been wins for either guy and no one should complain. A close decision is not a robbery or fixed. Hell didnt Pac outland JMM in the last fight? Not saying that is justification for him winning I am just saying it shows how people can believe Pac won.

dmar5143 wrote:

Diego408 wrote:Arum rigged those fights and a lot of other fights. He even rigged Pacquiao's last fight.

..i have no idea where out of no where you make claims without proff or at least strong circumstantial evidence.at times your posts are good and at times there total nonsence.this claim and the claim that pac has refused blood testing is beyound total nonsence.you have as hardcore pointed out several times have contridicted yourself totaly.1.first your pissed that roach implied marquez is on peds.i dont blame you.2.yet your not pissed that floyd his uncle his father said pacs on something .3.a past test means nothing as far as the here and now.a lot can happen over 2 years or so.a non user can become a user for example.i believe marquez is clean.so is pac.
i find it absoltely disgracefull not only as a boxing fan but as a fair minded person that you or anyone else discredit folks to the point of defimation in the case that arum somehow riggs fights buy the judges because one of your favorite fighters did not get there nod.i saw the first two fights for pac round for round exactly like letterman.did arum influence our thoughts to justify his means.the third fight i had marquez wining.
pac in one form or another has agreed to bloodtesting and for a long while now has even agreed up to the day of the fight.hes never outright refused.thats fact not some delusional charges of total fiction that you just stated.
its time posters on this site to stand up for whats decent and honest and not stay silent when nonsence like this is tossed out there because of perhaps hatred towards a promoter or fighter.
either you come up with varifable facts and evidence backing these claims or shut up.
boxing yes has its credibilty problems but stuff like this errodes whats left of it.i realy think any forum that wishes to be a forum of quality and substance should not remain silent or tollerate damaging fiction like this.sorry i love to talk boxing not slander.

I believe we all have right to believe and say whats on our minds (1st amendment rights son), If the Mayweather family believes Manny is on PEDS then that's their opinion and mine as well. The Mayweathers don't even show up to the defamation court hearings because they dont give a fuck what a court rules. Its still not changing their minds about Manny and PEDs.

Roach saying Marquez is on PEDs is a contradiction because it was his fighter who refused to take Olympic style testing against Mayweather. In a 100 Million dollar fight, all measures should be taken, dope testing included and a little bit of drawn blood wont hurt anyone. How the hell does Pacquiao get away with his dozen excuses to avoided testing? first he was saying hes afraid of needles, but somehow he has a shit load of tats all over his body and then came with the excuse that the blood tests would make him weak, but on 24/7 showed Manny having blood drawn from a couple of weeks before his Hatton bout and nothing seem to be wrong with him during the recordings and he ended up KOing Hatton in 2 rounds. His excuses were BS and Ive made it known that I highly believed Pacquiao was taking some kind of PED in the past few years. Someone whos not on PEDs wouldn't have anything to hide. Manny had something to hide

Marquez said it himself, those that question his honesty about doping, he will gladly pee in a bottle for you to test, while Manny will have to have set up specific dates and time while the testers cant see if him pee (because he will probably be doing the switcharoo). There is nothing out there that can trace Marquez with PEDs, but with Pacquaio there is still that doubt. Marquez character can never be question. Hes never had bad habits, unlike Pacquaio that had problems with meth and alcohol. Again whose most likely to take PEDs again? Pacquaio of course.

My point exactly. You're delusional to believe Arum doesn't do unethical business practices. A lot of the fights with questionable decision are his fight cards. You neglected to talk about how fucking ridicules the Bradley vs Pacquaio scorecards were and even more the Marquez vs Pacquiao III scorecards. Arum is the same promoter the FBI investigated for rigging fights or did you forget? There is good reason to believe Manny was on PEDs and Arum rigs fights because of their history.

Soonermark890 wrote:

Diego408 wrote:Arum rigged those fights and a lot of other fights. He even rigged Pacquiao's last fight.

HUH? So then why didnt Arum rig the first fight? Why was it a draw? Why was there an error in scoring that went in JMM's favor? Thats some weird rigging.

Lets just be honest here. They all have been unbelievably close fights. They could have gone either way. The judges gave the fights to the more aggressive fighter plain and simple.

Any objective fan can say that all three fights could have been wins for either guy and no one should complain. A close decision is not a robbery or fixed. Hell didnt Pac outland JMM in the last fight? Not saying that is justification for him winning I am just saying it shows how people can believe Pac won.

I thought 2 and 3 were rigged for Manny. I only had the 1st fight close. Marquez was the more aggressive fighter in the first two fights.

Remember it can take 2 paid off judges to give your fighter the win. Top Rank has had a line of questionable decisions. TO think they're an honest company is a joke.

Diego408 wrote:

Soonermark890 wrote:

Diego408 wrote:Arum rigged those fights and a lot of other fights. He even rigged Pacquiao's last fight.

HUH? So then why didnt Arum rig the first fight? Why was it a draw? Why was there an error in scoring that went in JMM's favor? Thats some weird rigging.

Lets just be honest here. They all have been unbelievably close fights. They could have gone either way. The judges gave the fights to the more aggressive fighter plain and simple.

Any objective fan can say that all three fights could have been wins for either guy and no one should complain. A close decision is not a robbery or fixed. Hell didnt Pac outland JMM in the last fight? Not saying that is justification for him winning I am just saying it shows how people can believe Pac won.

I thought 2 and 3 were rigged for Manny. I only had the 1st fight close. Marquez was the more aggressive fighter in the first two fights.

Remember it can take 2 paid off judges to give your fighter the win. Top Rank has had a line of questionable decisions. TO think they're an honest company is a joke.

I just look at it and think that about half of boxing fans believe pac won those fights so I dont know how it is rigged. If JMM won I personally wouldnt have been saying they where rigged. There is very few fights we can call out right robberies. None of them have been JMM vs Pac

Soonermark890 wrote:

Diego408 wrote:

Soonermark890 wrote:

Diego408 wrote:Arum rigged those fights and a lot of other fights. He even rigged Pacquiao's last fight.

HUH? So then why didnt Arum rig the first fight? Why was it a draw? Why was there an error in scoring that went in JMM's favor? Thats some weird rigging.

Lets just be honest here. They all have been unbelievably close fights. They could have gone either way. The judges gave the fights to the more aggressive fighter plain and simple.

Any objective fan can say that all three fights could have been wins for either guy and no one should complain. A close decision is not a robbery or fixed. Hell didnt Pac outland JMM in the last fight? Not saying that is justification for him winning I am just saying it shows how people can believe Pac won.

I thought 2 and 3 were rigged for Manny. I only had the 1st fight close. Marquez was the more aggressive fighter in the first two fights.

Remember it can take 2 paid off judges to give your fighter the win. Top Rank has had a line of questionable decisions. TO think they're an honest company is a joke.

I just look at it and think that about half of boxing fans believe pac won those fights so I dont know how it is rigged. If JMM won I personally wouldnt have been saying they where rigged. There is very few fights we can call out right robberies. None of them have been JMM vs Pac

I respect your opinion, but the third fight wasnt really even that close. Marquez clearly dominated in the eyes of most of the bloggers here and on ESPN. A lot of the boxing writers also had it for Marquez. If Arum rigged fights in the past, its highly possible he rigged fights of Pacquiao-MArquez. Usually the only honest people in boxing are the guys stepping in the ring, the guys in the suits are fucking rats, Arum being the biggest of them all.

he we go again with total nonsence on your part.now pac refuses to pee on certain days.first admendement rights dont give you the right to slander to defame and to place a gulity verdit on pac the judges and arum.and if you agree that the court of law which ordered mayweather to pay 114 000 to pac means nothing then dont talk to me about your first admendement rights.you can believe all the phoney stuff you want including santa claus.i made this topic to talk about what i saw on 24-7 and how marquez has made with his camp good adjustments.its not the purpose of invading a topic on hand to talk trash bullshit and again till you can prove what you say then STFU.
when you get some sence of decentcy rational thats not fiction and have something worthwhile to say then ill anser your post or topics.past history shows inconsistency of sanity on your part.so if you have nothing to say about the original intent of this topic then please get the hell off this thread.spread your venum elsewhere.
if any serious boxing guy looked at your post including pac refusing to pee on certain days that a commision saw fit they would laugh and think this is one clueless person.and that would be a compliment.

Diego408 wrote:

Soonermark890 wrote:

Diego408 wrote:

Soonermark890 wrote:

Diego408 wrote:Arum rigged those fights and a lot of other fights. He even rigged Pacquiao's last fight.

HUH? So then why didnt Arum rig the first fight? Why was it a draw? Why was there an error in scoring that went in JMM's favor? Thats some weird rigging.

Lets just be honest here. They all have been unbelievably close fights. They could have gone either way. The judges gave the fights to the more aggressive fighter plain and simple.

Any objective fan can say that all three fights could have been wins for either guy and no one should complain. A close decision is not a robbery or fixed. Hell didnt Pac outland JMM in the last fight? Not saying that is justification for him winning I am just saying it shows how people can believe Pac won.

I thought 2 and 3 were rigged for Manny. I only had the 1st fight close. Marquez was the more aggressive fighter in the first two fights.

Remember it can take 2 paid off judges to give your fighter the win. Top Rank has had a line of questionable decisions. TO think they're an honest company is a joke.

I just look at it and think that about half of boxing fans believe pac won those fights so I dont know how it is rigged. If JMM won I personally wouldnt have been saying they where rigged. There is very few fights we can call out right robberies. None of them have been JMM vs Pac

I respect your opinion, but the third fight was really even that close. Marquez clearly dominated in the eyes of most of the bloggers here and on ESPN. A lot of the boxing writers also had it for Marquez. If Arum rigged fights in the past, its highly possible he rigged fights of Pacquiao-MArquez. Usually the only honest people in boxing are the guys stepping in the ring, the guys in the suits are fucking rats, Arum being the biggest of them all.

Yeah I remember when I got on the night after the last fight everyone was saying JMM clearly won. I remember I had a big crowd at my house and everyone had Pac winning. I think I might have been the only poster on this site who had Pac winning the third fight. But hey I am not going to change my scorecard because I am in the minority that would be fucked up. LOL
These two could fight 100 times and every fight would be razor close. Which is the way it should be in great rivalries. I might be the only one but I would watch these two fight anytime. Its hard to get two HOF fighters in the ring together this day an age and we have been fortunate to see them fight 4 times. Maybe Floyd should take notes and follow suit.

OK back to the original topic.
I wonder how much that Freddie has lied on this episode of 24/7? I never believe that guy. He always complains about Pac and Pac is always in great shape and ready.

dmar5143 wrote:he we go again with total nonsence on your part.now pac refuses to pee on certain days.first admendement rights dont give you the right to slander to defame and to place a gulity verdit on pac the judges and arum.and if you agree that the court of law which ordered mayweather to pay 114 000 to pac means nothing then dont talk to me about your first admendement rights.you can believe all the phoney stuff you want including santa claus.i made this topic to talk about what i saw on 24-7 and how marquez has made with his camp good adjustments.its not the purpose of invading a topic on hand to talk trash bullshit and again till you can prove what you say then STFU.
when you get some sence of decentcy rational thats not fiction and have something worthwhile to say then ill anser your post or topics.past history shows inconsistency of sanity on your part.so if you have nothing to say about the original intent of this topic then please get the hell off this thread.spread your venum elsewhere.
if any serious boxing guy looked at your post including pac refusing to pee on certain days that a commision saw fit they would laugh and think this is one clueless person.and that would be a compliment.

You're a fucking fool. Everything that wrote has reason behind it. You dont even fight my arguments, you just blow it off. You're a worthless blogger to even debate against. You should learn how to fucking spell.

Soonermark890 wrote:OK back to the original topic.
I wonder how much that Freddie has lied on this episode of 24/7? I never believe that guy. He always complains about Pac and Pac is always in great shape and ready.

ya, roach is the king of excuses.

but ive been having the feeling lately that something big is going to happen in this fight. and by that i mean that jmm is going to KO pac and end the pac era. i think that his time is very limited. marquez is the one with something to really prove, no pac.

powerpuncher wrote:

Soonermark890 wrote:OK back to the original topic.
I wonder how much that Freddie has lied on this episode of 24/7? I never believe that guy. He always complains about Pac and Pac is always in great shape and ready.

ya, roach is the king of excuses.

but ive been having the feeling lately that something big is going to happen in this fight. and by that i mean that jmm is going to KO pac and end the pac era. i think that his time is very limited. marquez is the one with something to really prove, no pac.

That would be massive. I am not sure JMM has that kind of power.

sooner i think marquez does.he did hurt pac a few times.add a little more speed to his punch and hes shorten them to max impact and with pac coming in or lunging a well timed combo or shot could do it.i think marquez is stronger then before also..yes we know pac has the power for sure.

dmar5143 wrote:sooner i think marquez does.he did hurt pac a few times.add a little more speed to his punch and hes shorten them to max impact and with pac coming in or lunging a well timed combo or shot could do it.i think marquez is stronger then before also..yes we know pac has the power for sure.

Im sure anyone can KO anyone but it just seems unlikely to me that JMM can KO Pac. But damn that would be shocking.