Very bad night for boxing...

GrantZilla wrote:It was a circus, but people are talking about the fight. And that's far better than having Pac-Mosley, or Wlad-Haye.

Those were a black eye for boxing.

If Pac vs marquez PPV (which is only a few months away) goes well and entertains then it will have been a successful end to the boxing PPV year.

captainanddew wrote:

GrantZilla wrote:It was a circus, but people are talking about the fight. And that's far better than having Pac-Mosley, or Wlad-Haye.

Those were a black eye for boxing.

If Pac vs marquez PPV (which is only a few months away) goes well and entertains then it will have been a successful end to the boxing PPV year.

There are 2 keys for the Pac PPV: Pac killer instinct and Bob giving a good undercard. I think Pac has heard JMM talk enough as well as he will be fighting a smaller guy for the first time in awhile. Rios is a can't miss but it would be good to put him against a guy with a chin. I know Bob is a smarter promoter than I am but I seriously doubt putting 2 bangers in there would be too expensive. Do that or a can't miss prospect in a step up fight.

The gomez stopping was fine by me. Dude would have gotten killed if the ref didnt stop it. Canelo toyed with him and then unleashed the fury.

All I been hearing on FOX sports and ESPN radio has been the Floyd fight. That's all everybody was talking about.

So yeah, it was not a bad night for boxing. A bad night of boxing would've been another boring 12-round decision win.

Two of the 4 fights where ok

Morales reorganization of Cano's face was great & Vargas-Lopez was a nice back and forth

Canelo looked horrible vs Gomez and was bored watching him do nothing, I was fine with the stoppage as Fonso looked to be out on his feet

The main event was just bad all the way around, instead of a great fight that was developing we get fucking nonsense as usual...

Wlad vs Haye doing nothing
Mares-Agbeko fucking low blow disaster and Rusell Mora
Pac vs Mosley touching gloves all fight and Nosley running around the ring...

hardcorebee24 wrote:
A fourth round KO on a cheap shot and an early stoppage were great?

Victor Ortiz went backwards. He fouled when he got frustrated and then abandoned the oldest adage in the sport and got KO'd for it.

Floyd went backwards because he KO'd a guy when his hands were down.

Canelo didn't erase any questions or doubts and beat another smaller faded fighter.

Morales is old and beat an unranked nobody.

If this was on FNF I wouldn't be so critical. This was the biggest fight of the year and wound up a circus.

+1

I disagree, Cortez didnt say box or even try to set the clock back up again. Ortiz was waiting on that instruction to continue and Floyd punched him, so Cortez just decided to count on punches he didnt see. He did a horrible job, he was also suppose to but the fighters on a nuetrual coner and ask Floyd if he was recovered from the intentional headbutt. Officiating at its worst.

http://www.badlefthook.com/2011/9/21/2440068/mayweather-vs-ortiz-bob-arum-ortiz-wanted-out-mental-weakness-knockout-headbutt

So obviously Arum isn't exactly wild about Ortiz either, and has said before that he felt Ortiz was a mentally weak fighter. And I think it goes without saying that Arum is, in fact, right to dislike Ortiz. He invested crazy jack into him and got jammed, which made him bent.

Arum also says that an investor was set to put money "into boxing" (whatever he means by that, because it could be anything), but after the horrible Mayweather vs Ortiz fight, that's no longer the case:

"I was having a meeting [Tuesday], and I’m not going to name the company, but with a major, major sponsor that was ready to put a million dollars into boxing ... They don’t want to touch boxing after what they saw on Saturday."

Cant blame them, instead of a sporting event you get the circus like Hardcore said...

And fucking Floyd wonders why he cant get any sponsors

gomez1012 wrote:http://www.badlefthook.com/2011/9/21/2440068/mayweather-vs-ortiz-bob-arum-ortiz-wanted-out-mental-weakness-knockout-headbutt

So obviously Arum isn't exactly wild about Ortiz either, and has said before that he felt Ortiz was a mentally weak fighter. And I think it goes without saying that Arum is, in fact, right to dislike Ortiz. He invested crazy jack into him and got jammed, which made him bent.

Arum also says that an investor was set to put money "into boxing" (whatever he means by that, because it could be anything), but after the horrible Mayweather vs Ortiz fight, that's no longer the case:

"I was having a meeting [Tuesday], and I’m not going to name the company, but with a major, major sponsor that was ready to put a million dollars into boxing ... They don’t want to touch boxing after what they saw on Saturday."

Cant blame them, instead of a sporting event you get the circus like Hardcore said...

And fucking Floyd wonders why he cant get any sponsors

Floyd doesnt need sponsors, so I doubt he really cares, but yes things like this scare sponsors away. Ortiz is weak minded, I agree. I do believe he had what it took to get up, but just decided to stay down because it was just purely embarrassing.

Like Arum has room to talk. Matching Pac up with a totaly shot Mosley, and getting a far more embarrassing fight for boxing out of it.

Diego408 wrote:

gomez1012 wrote:http://www.badlefthook.com/2011/9/21/2440068/mayweather-vs-ortiz-bob-arum-ortiz-wanted-out-mental-weakness-knockout-headbutt

So obviously Arum isn't exactly wild about Ortiz either, and has said before that he felt Ortiz was a mentally weak fighter. And I think it goes without saying that Arum is, in fact, right to dislike Ortiz. He invested crazy jack into him and got jammed, which made him bent.

Arum also says that an investor was set to put money "into boxing" (whatever he means by that, because it could be anything), but after the horrible Mayweather vs Ortiz fight, that's no longer the case:

"I was having a meeting [Tuesday], and I’m not going to name the company, but with a major, major sponsor that was ready to put a million dollars into boxing ... They don’t want to touch boxing after what they saw on Saturday."

Cant blame them, instead of a sporting event you get the circus like Hardcore said...

And fucking Floyd wonders why he cant get any sponsors

Floyd doesnt need sponsors, so I doubt he really cares, but yes things like this scare sponsors away. Ortiz is weak minded, I agree. I do believe he had what it took to get up, but just decided to stay down because it was just purely embarrassing.

Floyd doesn't but boxing could use some.

GrantZilla wrote:Like Arum has room to talk. Matching Pac up with a totaly shot Mosley, and getting a far more embarrassing fight for boxing out of it.

And an HP deal amongst other things. Pac Mosley was a terrible terrible match up, it didn't end in controversy and make a mockery out of the sport. It was a fair contest that showed one man shot and the other in his prime, it was a terrible match up that should have never been made, but this is getting 20 times the negative press.

hardcorebee24 wrote:And an HP deal amongst other things. Pac Mosley was a terrible terrible match up, it didn't end in controversy and make a mockery out of the sport. It was a fair contest that showed one man shot and the other in his prime, it was a terrible match up that should have never been made, but this is getting 20 times the negative press.

I don't know about that. That fight got a lot of bad press. A boring, 12-round decision where both guys touched gloves more than they threw punches is far worse for boxing.

The media is doing what the media always does. Blowing shit out of proportion.

GrantZilla wrote:

hardcorebee24 wrote:And an HP deal amongst other things. Pac Mosley was a terrible terrible match up, it didn't end in controversy and make a mockery out of the sport. It was a fair contest that showed one man shot and the other in his prime, it was a terrible match up that should have never been made, but this is getting 20 times the negative press.

I don't know about that. That fight got a lot of bad press. A boring, 12-round decision where both guys touched gloves more than they threw punches is far worse for boxing.

The media is doing what the media always does. Blowing shit out of proportion.

...and that's one of the reasons that Saturday is a bad night for boxing. It's like boxing went out and got drunk and cheated on it's wife with stripper. It was fun for the night but the hangover and guilt that followed wasn't worth it.

Yeah. I guess I'm just use to the stupid media taking cheap shots at boxing. They did it after Pac-Mosley too. Had dozens of stories talking about how UFC won the entertainment battle, boxing is dead, MMA is taking over, blah, blah.

It's a toss up. It got publicity which is good. I think it keeps people interested in Floyd and makes Ortiz a sympathetic character. A lot of people are pissed but I haven't gotten the "I'm gonna quit watching boxing because of this" vibe from anybody or from the media.

Gumby wrote:It's a toss up. It got publicity which is good. I think it keeps people interested in Floyd and makes Ortiz a sympathetic character. A lot of people are pissed but I haven't gotten the "I'm gonna quit watching boxing because of this" vibe from anybody or from the media.

Me either. I got a lot more angry friends who paid for Pac-Mosley. I tried to tell them it was crap. But they got hyped into it. They all felt ripped off and declared they wouldn't get a PPV again unless it was Mayweather-Pac.

Why I will stand by that fights like Pac-Mosley, Wlad-Haye, and Bradley-Alexander are worse for boxing.

Also, I think Canelo brought a ton of fans and they're all probably happy he won. Personally, I won't buy a Mayweather or Pacquiao PPV unless they fight each other (I would make an exception for Khan if he fought someone legit at 147 and looked good).

I might get Cotto v. Margo though. That's a fight that needs to be hyped, especially if the undercard shapes up nicely.