Great work Paulie and Adrien

my thoughts on the main event...

paulie boxed pretty well IMO as he usually does, but hes just got 2 strikes against him at all times cuz he cant crack an egg. i thought broner looked pretty good to be honest. i had him winning 8-4, and thats with him essentially taking the first 2 rounds off. that being said, he does still have some pop at 147 and hes a very good counter puncher. his biggest problem that i saw was that when paulie threw combos adrian completely stopped punching and waited for paulie to stop before trying to counter. he counters the single shots very well but seems to go into a shell when combos are flying. broner is no floyd, no matter how much he tries to be. i think he needs to stop trying so hard to be floyd and try more to be broner. hes an offensive minded fighter. he goes for the kill, its who he is he doesnt need to be sitting back trying to counter all night long. every time he let his hands go he hurt paulie. i think he looked good for his first fight at147, not great but good. hes probably better suited for 140 at this point, he outgrew 135 quickly and i dont think hes ready for 147 especially against a real puncher at 147. paulie was a good guage for him. i think broner can make some serious noise at 140. id like to see him fight maidana next. i think he beats marcos, then if he goes for LM or garcia, he could make a strong case for being an elite fighter. thats a lot to ask for obviously especially with todays cherry picking habbits. i think he can handle garcia and maidana, LM maybe not so much but who knows it is boxing, thats why we have the fights. stylistically i dont think this was a good matchup for adrian, paulie has a pretty good jab, definitely 1 of his better attributes IMO (aside from the obvious lack of power) he snaps it out there pretty well and throws a lot of them. the jab is IMO 1 of the best ways to neutralize the shoulder roll type defense. i like how adrian adjusted and switched to a more traditional peak a boo type style when the shoulder roll was being cracked by the jab. broner lost 3 of the first 4 rounds and adjusted very well after and went on to win most if not all of the remaining rounds. thats what great fighters do, when plan A isnt working they devise a new strategy and he did that. he looks very comfortable in the ring and does a good job of controlling the pace i think, solid ring generalship by the young kid. i dont care for his stupid antics and his clown like behavior, but all that aside, id give him a solid B for his performance, not great but definitely pretty solid. he did what he had to do. also, the judge who gave the fight to paulie must have been smoking some good stuff. ive watched the fight 3 times now, and in no way can i possibly see paulie taking 7 rounds.

not saying broner is a world beater by any means either.  i dont think this fight elevated or lowered his standing just yet.  he faced a style hes never really seen before, and adapted to it as the fight went on.  thats what you want out of young fighters, the ability to change and get better and better as they go on.  hopefully broner learns some things from this fight and works on some of his shortcomings because he does have the natural talent and ability to become an elite fighter someday. i dont think he is there just yet though. i thought it was funny when they asked him if he'd fight floyd and he said "no i dont wanna give him his first loss" lol he had to be joking, if he fought floyd, hed get hit so many times hed think he was surrounded.

i agree BG. i think that moving up the weight plus fighting somebody as quick as paulie was a learing experience. im not writing him off yet because he has a ton of talent still, but my main problem is that he has had a lot of flaws throughout his career so far that he hasnt seemed to fix.

dmar5143 wrote:my final word on this so called disgussion.i said first I disagee with some of your points and of course as a person that has to get the last word in you replied and as usual in your reply you insult people or are a mind reader.example I obviously don't respect any modern fighter.there are several that have earned that respect but you know my thoughts.amazing..then again and yes its several times you have stated things that were never said.thats fact..i cant type but theres no doubt what I write is understandable.but again im perfect according to you.another insult and of course I need to take a writing course but you don't need to take a reading comprehensive course cause gee this one time lol I miss read something.
im going to have to agree with what hardcore said after a series of go arounds with you that he determined you are a jerkoff.
im losing interest and passion for this sport.it has too any problems and its getting worse.im more then losing interest in disgussion things especialy with someone like you that has to hurl snide insults as you did with hardcore and others.
don't worry you can get the last word in for in a day or so im deleating my account.i have no interest in joining any other forum including ninja ..ill watch select fights that im interested in and keep any thoughts to myself.the forums dead and maybe there are reasons diego rum ubeggs tobe gomez grant and a few other active posters have left causing the site to be inactive.
hopefully you can read and understand what I have said dispite my so called shortcomings in expressing myself in a lucid fashion.

thats weird. i will give you the benefit of the doubt that you are having personal issues because i never had any problems with you until not too long ago and then i felt like you were so negative towards me. then you insulted me and i backfired, and now you quit the board. i say this because ive seen many people insult you much more a musch worse. oh well i guess. hopefully whatever personal issues you are having get better.

I have no personal issues.again your problem is making up stuff that never occurred.i said I disagree with you on some points and gave reasonable reasons why.reread that everybody reread that and see if one insult or disrespect was there..there was none.first attack issued by you with its obvious I respect no modern fighter.your reason was that I said he should fight 6 hard fights in a year which was never said..I wrote back and said that's a habit of yours putting in things that were never said.i pointed that out too you in other talks...its fact not an insult.you have done that several times with me hardcore and others and hardcore basically pointed that out how you do that or twist things.then of course you hurl insult number 2 then 3.you have a problem not me.denial is one of them.
I could give a response like ring to your airhead thoughts but I feel im above that in this stage of life.im leaving the board because 1.its super dead2.im loosing interest in the sport that has phoney champs 7-8 sometimes in one division plus phoney mandatories and the era of part time fighters that in general lack skill .its like being a fan of cycling which is all bs.
there are posters on here I enjoy reading there thoughts.example captain boxing genius and hardcore.wheather I agree or not with them at times isn't the point. they present good logic in there posts.
I feel I have made friends with some on the board and sooner is an example.dispite that im losing interest and patience in talking boxing with folks that have no decency in there replies and your a perfect example of one that does that on a constant basis.example is perfect in this thread where again you invent stuff that never was said or occurred.a delusion response and a defence meckinizm sp to say im right or I didn't start the insults.it was dmar..again everyone reread and see the true facts that PP and his denial of what transpired.
in conclution your wet behind the ears in this sport as well as in life.grow up and eliminate your delusion reading of what people say.

Dmar, I really don't feel as though you should leave the site. Yes, boxing has graveyard status at the present time and we're all trying to struggle through it. Football season is coming which has temporarily replaced boxing as the most physical "mainstream" sport. That said, I still have a vested interest in the sport and I also feel you should stay on the board. Here are some of the reasons.

a. Sure, with some of us, boxing lives off of yesterday, however yesterday is just a click away (YouTube).

b. You (Dmar) have more experience than anyone here. Hell, who else could've answered my trivia question asking, "Who was Barney Felix?" Granted, I probably know more about Ali than Ali, however I can't say that about every fighter. You come much closer to being able to make a statement like that. I, for one, am very interested in the stories you write about.

c. There are statements that are made about your fighter, Rocky Marciano, that are incorrect and unfair. With you gone, who will be here to speak up for "The Rock?" (smile) Though I'm only half serious with this one, I do keep hearing a ridiculous theory repeated which is that Rocky would've been a Cruiserweight today.

First off, the Rock beat a much bigger Jersey Joe Walcott weighing in at 185. Secondly, Rocky was solid muscle and could have easily put on 20 pounds and carried it perfectly. Rocky was a HEAVYWEIGHT for any fucking age. I don't feel like debating that point alone. LOL

d. Maybe I'm wrong, but I feel like the Pacquiao - Mayweather saga will have a surprise ending. I've been wrong about things before, however I've also been right. I have a feeling about this one.
e. Who else will agree with me when I say, "Vegas was a safer place when the Mob ran it?"

I can go on and on, however if you leave the board, you will be missed by a number of us on here. I for one, hope you reconsider.

you can think what you want dmar. but telling me that its a habit of mine that i misread posts is an insult. and even if it were fact, then i just stated a fact back about the difficulty of being able to read your writing.

again, i have no idea why you just started hating me as a poster out of nowhere. i know that you have praised me and my posts in the past but now since that canelo vs trout thread you seem to hate me for some reason. i actually do everything i can to avoid internet confrontation and getting involved with trolls because i think its all dumb. i am on a message board to talk boxing. im not going to be immature and get mad at anything that anyone says on a message board.

but again, thats why im assuming you are having some personal issues in your life right now. so good luck with whatever it is you are going through.

Power, everyone knows you're a good poster.

I think we're all passionate about boxing and everyone gets a little emotional about certain issues.
I'm guilty of that as well. It may not seem that way because I try to only visit arguments once. After that, I'm done with it. Everyone doesn't feel that way, though if we just had one type of poster, this place would be very boring.

What's bothering me is that this argument between you and Dmar happened in a post discussing two of the most ignorant fighters in recent memory. You're both worlds smarter than those guys. I know that's not the issue being debated, however the irony of that bothers me. LOL

Let's just drop this whole fucking thing and let some time pass. Believe me, everything will work out fine.

thanks frank. like i always say, i never get offended by anybody on an internet message board. if dmar posts again, i will still comment on his posts just like nothing happened.

being a sport where everyone has a completely different POV (did i just use a porn acronym? lol) there will be disagreements. lets just try to keep them civil and not hurl insults back and forth because its unnecessary and causes the situation to escalate into something bigger than it really is, a disagreement on a message board. we all like to talk boxing and thats what the board is here for. things dont need to turn into a pissing contest about who knows more about what. im sure some people know more about different aspects of the sport than others. we are all here because we are addicted to boxing, and I for one enjoy reading other fans thoughts comments on things because it helps me to learn more about the sport and see things from different perspectives. if i score a fight 1 way for example, and someone else scores it a different way, i like to hear why they did to get a feel for what other "fake judges" like myself lol are looking for when they score a fight. now you guys can kiss and make up... no homo (as broner would say) lol