Berto vs. Ortiz II

Guest Sat Nov 05, 2011 8:59 am

HBO has shown interest in a rematch between former southpaw WBC welterweight beltholder Victor Ortiz and IBF counterpart Andre Berto, ranked Nos. 3 and 4 in their division by THE RING, as well as an accompanying welterweight matchup featuring former WBC/IBF junior welterweight titleholder Devon Alexander and former IBF junior welterweight titleholder Paulie Malignaggi.

The work-in-progress was confirmed by Golden Boy Promotions CEO Richard Schaefer, who said the bouts would be televised from a site to be determined, potentially on Jan. 28.

The 28-year-old Berto (28-1, 22 KOs) dethroned Jan Zaveck (31-2, 18 KOs) as IBF welterweight titleholder by fifth-round knockout in September, stopping Zaveck for the first time in his career.

The victory helped Berto rebound from losing his WBC belt to Ortiz (29-3-2, 22 KOs) in April, a unanimous decision during which the winner was dropped in the second and sixth rounds, and Berto was floored in the first and sixth.

Ortiz didn't hold on to the belt for long, though, losing it to Floyd Mayweathr Jr. (42-0, 26 KOs) by fourth round knockout on Sept. 17.

Ortiz's trainer, Danny Garcia, confirmed on Friday that he had been informed on Thursday by Ortiz's manager, Rolando Arrelano, that a rematch with Berto was being pursued.

"Nothing is done yet, but that's what we're working on and that's what is being discussed," said Schaefer. "We are having conversations about putting this double-header together."

The 24-year-old Alexander (22-1, 13 KOs) has climbed into the welterweight division and acquired the WBC's No. 1 spot in the wake of the loss by Ortiz to Mayweather.

Alexander lost his WBC junior welterweight title following an 11th-round technical decision loss to Tim Bradley (27-0, 11 KOs) in January, but bounced back with a 10-round decision win over hard-hitting RING No. 5-rated junior welterweight Lucas Matthysse (28-2, 26 KOs) in June.

Alexander still is ranked No. 4 as a junior welterweight by THE RING, having yet to fight in the welterweight division.

Since losing by 11th-round knockout to WBA/IBF junior welterweight beltholder Amir Khan (26-1, 18 KOs) in May of last year, Maliignaggi (30-4, 6 KOs) has won three straight welterweight bouts, one of them by knockout.

Malignaggi, who turns 31 on Nov. 23, is coming off a lopsided 10-round unanimous decision on Oct. 1 over Orlando Lora (28-2-1, 19 KOs).

http://ringtv.craveonline.com/blog/169975-hbo-ortiz-berto-ii-alexander-malignaggi-double-header-discussed

**captainanddew** Sat Nov 05, 2011 9:37 am

Ortiz vs Berto II should be fun. Paulie M. will get a final payday and go away. That would be a good night of fights.

**dmar5143** Sat Nov 05, 2011 11:27 am

jan 28 they claimed last year was the biggest and best time for a fight just before the superbowl.they streched there budjet to 2.4 million or 1.2 each for bradley and alexander..by them puting on a double header tells me hbo will start to go in the right direction and not overpay fighters anylonger.example berto and alexander are 2 bums or mediocre fighters amoung several who have there million dollar pay or no fight attitude..berto will not get a million and ortiz wont take short money thats well under bertos pay.you may actualy see something like this.berto 500000 thats still overpaid.ortiz 400 000 cause hes no longer champ.alexander 350 000 paulie 150 000 or 1.4 million for the 2 fight deal.hbo can define there budjet policy fast and with the same budjet as last year give us 10 more fights.haymons big dollar influence is over or reduced a lot.
thats the direction i would take and none of those fighters could earn close to that except paulie at the garden.it will be well above showtimes dollars yet well under what hbo has paid in the past for berto and alexander the not so great.they cant draw a big gate to replace tv money and by now golden boy should be very cautious based on big time flops like hopkins last fight via ppv.this card will bomb on ppv...will sanity finaly start to prevail..

**GrantZilla** Sat Nov 05, 2011 11:51 am

I beleive GB's output deal ends this year, which means they will no longer have given datles at HBO

SlickMoney Sat Nov 05, 2011 12:31 pm

Call this card "Overhyped".

Isnt Berto's mandatory due soon?

**GrantZilla** Sat Nov 05, 2011 12:50 pm

SlickMoney wrote:Call this card "Overhyped".

Isnt Berto's mandatory due soon?

Heh manditories. Has Pac ever done a manditory for his WBO trinket?

SlickMoney Sat Nov 05, 2011 1:07 pm

GrantZilla wrote:
SlickMoney wrote:Call this card "Overhyped".

Isnt Berto's mandatory due soon?

Heh manditories. Has Pac ever done a manditory for his WBO trinket?

The big money fighters rarely do mandatories.

**dmar5143** Sat Nov 05, 2011 1:09 pm

according to fighthype.com lou dibella is asking for both fighters to do the random blood and urine tests fot the berto-ortiz fight.here we go again.

SlickMoney Sat Nov 05, 2011 1:14 pm

dmar5143 wrote:according to fighthype.com lou dibella is asking for both fighters to do the random blood and urine tests fot the berto-ortiz fight.here we go again.

Then Dibella should pay for the testing out of his own pocket.

**captainanddew** Sat Nov 05, 2011 1:19 pm

SlickMoney wrote:
dmar5143 wrote:according to fighthype.com lou dibella is asking for both fighters to do the random blood and urine tests fot the berto-ortiz fight.here we go again.

Then Dibella should pay for the testing out of his own pocket.

agreed.

**GrantZilla** Sat Nov 05, 2011 1:26 pm

SlickMoney wrote:
dmar5143 wrote:according to fighthype.com lou dibella is asking for both fighters to do the random blood and urine tests fot the berto-ortiz fight.here we go again.

Then Dibella should pay for the testing out of his own pocket.

For sure. If I was one these fighters where my opponent was demanding above and beyond drug testing, I'd agree to it, as long as the costs came out of their purse, and not mine

That shit isn't cheap. Sure, to guys raking in millions like Pac and Mayweather, it's chump change. But to a fighter not even getting a million dollar purse, and where chunk goes out to their promoter, trainer, and extortion fees, I mean sanctioning fees if they have a belt, it means a lot.

powerpuncher Sat Nov 05, 2011 2:36 pm

i think that if this drug testing is starting to spread then they need to revamp how they have been doing drug testing. it seems like there are so many accusations these days that they might as well change something. maybe they could just do it for any fighter who is making over 100 K for a fight. just an idea...

**dmar5143** Sat Nov 05, 2011 2:58 pm

personaly i think the floyd -mosley fight testing they got raped by the drug testing people..come on it came to about 1500 for one test for one guy for frigging lab work..the olympics have what thousands of athletics and how many do the catch.2 3 maybe 4.for a bike ride the french thing they test them constantly keep there blood forever and catch a tiny few.are we talking tens of millions of dollars for the olympics .its plan bullshit.
besides the irony of it all the guy dibellas fighter is fighting ortiz just complerted the testing and the results were clean.whats dibella saying here or trying to pull here.
if anyone needs to be drug tested its the abcd commisions because it seems unlikely they can do what they do and not be under the influence.make the dam fight lou and for once STFU.

**gomez1012** Sat Nov 05, 2011 3:02 pm

SlickMoney wrote:Call this card "Overhyped".

Isnt Berto's mandatory due soon?

Busts Collide

Greenburg's Garbage

Diego408 Sat Nov 05, 2011 4:10 pm

SlickMoney wrote:Call this card "Overhyped".

Isnt Berto's mandatory due soon?

Yeah thats what I thought also, Im just thinking theyre just going to rematch Ortiz and forget Bailey. It wouldnt be the first time a mandatory gets skipped for his world title shot for the champion to get in a bigger fight.

Gumby Sat Nov 05, 2011 5:06 pm

Way too much negativity on what would be a solid night of fights. Berto and Alexander are overhyped but they're by no means bums (can't believe I've ended having to defend Berto). Both winners will be serious players at 147 in the years to come. Most importantly, the fights will be awesome. I'm not sure how Paulie v. Alexander would play out, but Paulie's definitely the smarter guy in the ring so it could be interesting. And Berto v. Ortiz II should be another war. If everyone agrees to testing then I don't see an issue with it. I fully expect Ortiz to say "whatever dude, I'll take the test and beat his ass and then what will he say?" Honestly, Berto is the guy I suspect more after how different he looked in his last fight after working with Conte.

powerpuncher Sat Nov 05, 2011 5:30 pm

Gumby wrote:Way too much negativity on what would be a solid night of fights. Berto and Alexander are overhyped but they're by no means bums (can't believe I've ended having to defend Berto). Both winners will be serious players at 147 in the years to come. Most importantly, the fights will be awesome. I'm not sure how Paulie v. Alexander would play out, but Paulie's definitely the smarter guy in the ring so it could be interesting. And Berto v. Ortiz II should be another war. If everyone agrees to testing then I don't see an issue with it. I fully expect Ortiz to say "whatever dude, I'll take the test and beat his ass and then what will he say?" Honestly, Berto is the guy I suspect more after how different he looked in his last fight after working with Conte.

i dont mind the fights. its a solid HBO card as long as its not PPV im all good with it

hardcorebee24 Sat Nov 05, 2011 5:35 pm

Im with Gumby, bunch of negative Nancy's.

**dmar5143** Sat Nov 05, 2011 5:50 pm

hardcorebee24 wrote:Im with Gumby, bunch of negative Nancy's.

...i agree with both of you.berto-ortiz is a desired rematch and i like paulies crazy personality.if priced fairly its a good show for boxing fans.greenburgs out and any cards set up before the new guy steps in jan 9th i thing will be desided by hbo guys minus grrenburg.his influenced is over for sure.tonights fight on hbo is one that merits no negativity either.good slugging matchup..my kind of fight.action.

**GrantZilla** Sat Nov 05, 2011 8:17 pm

I don't got a prob with the match-ups all. I've never really had a prob with these kind of HBO fights. It's the over spending for these fights where they'd blow their budget and we get less fights I had a problem with.

Under Hershman we'll see.

**gomez1012** Sat Nov 05, 2011 8:34 pm

Bumdre vs Ortiz II is cool but Devon vs Paulie? That's awful

**captainanddew** Sat Nov 05, 2011 8:38 pm

GrantZilla wrote:I don't got a prob with the match-ups all. I've never really had a prob with these kind of HBO fights. It's the over spending for these fights where they'd blow their budget and we get less fights I had a problem with.

Under Hershman we'll see.

I think they are two good matchups. Winner of Berto/Ortiz is once by virtue of the lack of death at 147, a major player. Alexander can beat Paulie M. and begin his career at 147. I am like Grant in that I hope HBO takes the pay way down.

Of the 4 fighters on the card, which one really has the highest market value??? I'd say Alexander. Why? Because he can fight in St. Louis and fill the damn place. He doesn't a damn network to make 400,000-500,000. Berto can put 1500 in the seats. Ortiz isn't exactly a ticket seller either.

That is where the economics is messed up. Berto and Ortiz are not so good that boxing fans are drooling over their fights. And neither can draw alot of people to watch them fight live. They should be getting 200,000-300,000 max for a fight on HBO or showtime. But HBO (not often showtime) overpays and creates a value that isn't there without that channel. It is plain stupid.

Diego408 Sun Nov 06, 2011 10:15 pm

I'd rather see Alexander fight Jan Zaveck. Berto-Ortiz is still a great fight. I just dont think we'll see thr hungry Ortiz from the first one again. I think I'll be rooting and picking Berto for this one.

hardcorebee24 Tue Nov 08, 2011 11:44 pm

http://espn.go.com/boxing/story/_/id/7208800/andre-berto-gives-welterweight-title-pursues-victor-ortiz-rematch

I'd love to see a double KO, since that won't happen Ortiz beats Berto again.

**captainanddew** Wed Nov 09, 2011 12:26 am

hardcorebee24 wrote:http://espn.go.com/boxing/story/_/id/7208800/andre-berto-gives-welterweight-title-pursues-victor-ortiz-rematch

I'd love to see a double KO, since that won't happen Ortiz beats Berto again.

double KO. That would be fun.

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