Berto - Ortiz

flapanther2001 wrote:Berto is a chinless, powerful, hugger fighter. Ortiz is a fast, powerful fighter that can't handle pressure.

gomez1012 wrote:

flapanther2001 wrote:Berto is a chinless, powerful, hugger fighter. Ortiz is a fast, powerful fighter that can't handle pressure.

Ortiz FTW!

flapanther2001 wrote:

gomez1012 wrote:

flapanther2001 wrote:Berto is a chinless, powerful, hugger fighter. Ortiz is a fast, powerful fighter that can't handle pressure.

Ortiz FTW!

What does that mean?

flapanther2001 wrote:

gomez1012 wrote:

flapanther2001 wrote:Berto is a chinless, powerful, hugger fighter. Ortiz is a fast, powerful fighter that can't handle pressure.

Ortiz FTW!

What does that mean?

UBeeg9cats wrote:
It means "for the win". He is on the Ortiz bandwagon. I agree with you that Berto should win this one and it has a pretty good chance of not being close. Super crude and slow Maidana got to Ortiz. He knocked Peterson down twice in a 10 rd fight and only got a draw. Worst off, the draw was the right decision in my book. Ortiz can be outboxed and Berto is quick and powerful.

To hear the Vicious Victor Ortiz camp tell it, there's only one cinch with a fight involving undefeated WBC welterweight champion Andre Berto.

It's a cinch, manager Rolando Arellano said, that the long-armed Berto will clinch and clinch excessively.

"We're going to alert the referee (expected to be Steve Smoger)," Arellano told me just before a press conference was held at the Armory on West 168 Street in Washington Heights on Wednesday.

"We want to call attention to the excessive holding, the constant clinching that has marked and marred so many of Berto's past fights," Arellano said.

(Most often cited example of Berto's penchant for holding was his points victory over Brooklyn lefty Luis Collazo. In that bout held in Mississippi, referee Keith Hughes penalized Berto one point for doing so after three warnings and 27 clinches.)

Let the bleating begin.

It should be pointed out that the fourth round penalty point was assessed in a victory which was one of Berto's best overall performances. Berto now owns a 27-0 record with 21 KOs while the sometimes erratic but always hard-hitting Ortiz stands 28-2-2 with 22 knockouts.

It's unusual for prefight complaints to come from a fighter's camp before they even arrive at the venue. Team Ortiz was en route to the MGM Grand at Foxwoods right after the presser.

Arellano, who used to co-manage Ferocious Fernando Vargas, said clinching and otherwise gripping or smothering opponents is a regular bad habit for Berto.

For his part, Ortiz said he will use other measures to stop the clinching if he must.

"We know he does all that holding. We've seen three fights where he was holiding eight to 10 times in each round.
"I let the ref just do his job...but if he doesn't, I will do what I have to do and it won't be pretty."

You don't think Mr. Ortiz is talking about hitting low, do you?

Well, they do call refer to him as Vicious.

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Get well wishes going out today first to Berto promoter Lou DiBella, whose mother, Anna, had to get a pacemaker.

One thing about the DiBella clan, we know they've all got big hearts. I hear Lou's mother, Anna, is doing better at Huntington Hospital on Long Island.

On the Golden Boy side of the promotion, big shout out and get will cheer for 2011 Boxing Writers Association of America Marvin Kohn "Good Guy" Aaward winner and ace publicist Bill Caplan.

Word from Tarzana Hospital in California is that the irrepressible Caplan, who was treated for blood clots on the lungs, is getting ready to exit sick bay in a few days for some recuperation at home.

I'm betting Caplan will be there, in living color, to pick up his BWAA honor May 6 at the MGM Hrand in Las Vegas on the eve of the Sugar Shane Mosley-Manny Pacquiao fight.

In fact, I don't think it's even legal to hold a BWAA Annual Aawards Dinner without the omnipresent Caplan.

gomez1012 wrote:

flapanther2001 wrote:

gomez1012 wrote:

flapanther2001 wrote:Berto is a chinless, powerful, hugger fighter. Ortiz is a fast, powerful fighter that can't handle pressure.

Ortiz FTW!

What does that mean?

For the win

flapanther2001 wrote:
OK...I just think that Berto is the more dedicated fighter and has enough speed & power to make Ortiz fold...again. For the record I think Ortiz beat Peterson, but gassed & should have, but didn't finish him.

gomez1012 wrote:

flapanther2001 wrote:
OK...I just think that Berto is the more dedicated fighter and has enough speed & power to make Ortiz fold...again. For the record I think Ortiz beat Peterson, but gassed & should have, but didn't finish him.

Berto should of finished Juan Urango, Steve Forbes, and not been dropped by Cosme Rivera!

flapanther2001 wrote:
LOL....pretzel logic. Forbes has never, ever been stopped, Urango only once (even Hatton couldn't stop him) and Berto has improved steadily since the Rivera fight. If anything, he showed that he could take a shot & come back strong in that fight, which showed in the scores.

GrantZilla wrote:Be funny as hell if Victor "Spicoli" Ortiz beat Berto

gomez1012 wrote:

flapanther2001 wrote:
LOL....pretzel logic. Forbes has never, ever been stopped, Urango only once (even Hatton couldn't stop him) and Berto has improved steadily since the Rivera fight. If anything, he showed that he could take a shot & come back strong in that fight, which showed in the scores.

Hahahahaha

Improved beating the all mighty Freddy Hernandez, Quintana's corpse, and a string of Jr WWs

flapanther2001 wrote:
We shall see...that's why they fight the fights...right? (except for Floyd, of course)
Perhaps we can make a gentleman's wager....say..a lap dance?

SlickMoney wrote:

GrantZilla wrote:Be funny as hell if Victor "Spicoli" Ortiz beat Berto

You talk just like him dont you?

"Dude, Ken Hershman replied to one of my emails!"

gomez1012 wrote:

flapanther2001 wrote:
We shall see...that's why they fight the fights...right? (except for Floyd, of course)
Perhaps we can make a gentleman's wager....say..a lap dance?

eLap dance? lol

GrantZilla wrote:

SlickMoney wrote:

GrantZilla wrote:Be funny as hell if Victor "Spicoli" Ortiz beat Berto

You talk just like him dont you?

"Dude, Ken Hershman replied to one of my emails!"

Totaly Slick. Back to stalking me again huh. Got some sick obsession don't you.

GrantZilla wrote:Translation, you're the same tool that you were on ESPN. All you can do is try and start shit. Thing is, I've never given a fuck. But keep trying. I know you will.