GB files protest to Ring, WBC, and CAC over Hops ruling

Golden Boy Promotions CEO Richard Schaefer said that he plans to file a protest seeking to overturn Saturday night's decision, and WBC Secretary General Mauricio Sulaiman said that his organization will review the second-round technical knockout victory by Chad Dawson, who dethroned Bernard Hopkins as RING and WBC lightheavyweight beltholder in an HBO Pay Per View televised clash from the Staples Center in Los Angeles.

"I talked to [WBC President] Jose Sulaiman, and he said that they are going to review it. The RING is going to review it as well, so this guy didn't get the belts. This guy may have gotten the decision, but I will fight for Bernard to keep the belts, so we are obviously going to file a protest," said Schaefer, who must make his appeal with the California State Athletic Commission within five days.

"We have informed George Dodd, the executive director of the California State Athletic Commission, that we will file a protest. Our attorneys together with Bernard's attorneys are working on it today. We want to achieve three things. We want to ask the California Athletic Commission to overturn the decision and we want the WBC and The RING to continue to recognize Bernard as their champion."

http://tinyurl.com/3sebqhk

No doubt WBC will rule in GB's favore and demand a rematch. But The Ring better stay consistent with what the "official" ruling was. So if CAC sticks to the ruling, The Ring better as well whether they agree with it or not. What they have always done.

Honestly I really am not interested in a rematch, it looked like it was going to be another ugly split decision.

Just wish Hopkins would retire and become a commentator.

Yea nobody cares

If they fight again, it should be free because they stole money from who ever bought the PPV and the people that attended the fight.

Diego408 wrote:If they fight again, it should be free because they stole money from who ever bought the PPV and the people that attended the fight.

..true.

I love how their petitioning thier own publication in The Ring. The Ring is a magazine not a sanctioning body. I would like to see a rematch. They should do it in December for free.

The Ring will wait for the official Cali commission ruling before award Dawson the belt. Which is the right decision and at least staying consistent by going with the official ruling.

http://ringtv.craveonline.com/blog/169724-ring-light-heavweight-belt-wont-change-hands-pending-appeal

GrantZilla wrote:The Ring will wait for the official Cali commission ruling before award Dawson the belt. Which is the right decision and at least staying consistent by going with the official ruling.

http://ringtv.craveonline.com/blog/169724-ring-light-heavweight-belt-wont-change-hands-pending-appeal

....i have to disagree.like hardcore said the ring isnt a sanctioning body nor a commision its a magazine.they have traditionaly awaurded a belt there belt to the lineal winner yes.in the past as well as now to a certain degree they have ignored what state boxing commisions have said because in there thoughts they felt they were doing the right thing..a perfect example is when ali was convicted but still on bail pending appeal ring still recognized ali as champ dispite the fact every state boxing commision revolked his liscense to fight thus forcing a retirement so to speak..48 states then recognized jimmy ellis as champ after he won a tourney with the top EIGHT heavies participating.2 states due to politics then said they would recognioze the winner of the mathis -frazier fight dispite the fact that manthis was unranked and frazier decilned to participate in the tourney.since ali was not alolowed to fight since ali had no license to fight since ali was forbidden to travel outside the usa ali was forced into retirement and in reality ellis should of been recognized as the lineal champ due to a legit tourney with the top 8 contenders fighting..ring ignored ALL the state boxing commisions ALL the santioning bodies and continued to recognize ali as champ because they felt strongly it was the right thing to do..
this is no different.ring mag saw the fight.they saw the replay.they saw the fact that bo hop was not given at least the courtesy a 5 minute recoup time.they saw the ref claiming no foul intentional or not intentional and saying its a tko.no where did they see the ref actualy consult with bo hop on this..
to further complicate things we have to wait 2 months for the commision to meet.thats nonsence in itself especialy since modern tech can have a meeting via electronic ways.
look like most of us i dislike bo hop but hes been unfairly screwed.the title and belt is his even if the commisions and santioning bodies say differnt.ring has disagreed with them many times in the past.including a whole decade where ring said there was no champ in any division.no lineal no state or santioning body champ.there were totaly wrong there of course and no excuse can justify that action.
.to further complicate things is the word santioned by which implies strongly that this is a real title fight.thats nonsence also.example martinez fights in california and its sanctioned as a real title fight.chavez fights in california and thats sanctioned as a real title fight.which policy or calfornia ruling will ring then follow.ring follows its own.does it not.this should be no differnt.the right thing to do is for ring to make its own mind up based on eveidence which is clearly there to see and not wait for a commision to tell them what to do with there own belt..

Ring has always gone with official ruling when it implemented it's belt policy in 2001. Before that, the belt was given as an award to the linear Champion.

As for Ali, that was not a normal circumstance. Ali was still the linear Champ because he did not lose his title in the ring nor did he officialy retire. He simply was not allowed to fight.

The Ring did not agree with Casamayor-Cruz robbery, and even stated as much, but honored the official decision and Casa stayed The Champ. They got a lot of heat for that.

Same with Pac and MArquez I where many felt JMM won the fight. The Ring stuck with the official decision.

Ring goes against whatever the official ruling is and they are no berthed than the ABC Orgs who make up their own shit. You have to go with official ruling wether you agree with it or not. There are countless games where a team gets shafted because bad officiating but that doesnt mean you can go against the official outcome of the game.

If the state sanctioning the fight is incompetent than promoters shouldn't hold fights there. Same goes for judging. Should The Ring just ignore the official score and just award the belt to who they felt won the fight?

maybe its just me that finds rings position interesting to a certain degree.as of now the belt wont change hands untill a offical ruling or a ruling of the appeal is made.thats just the belt of course but ring has already officaly at least for now has changed title or a transfer of title to dawson..if you note todays rankings it lists hopkins as THE champion..with no title being held..dawson is ranked number 3 with titles listed as wbc and RING title.
as for officaly retireing then patterson should of never been considered retired untill he died.floyd never officaly announched he was retired.ali was retired by force not voluntarily is my point.if you have no license to fight then you cant fight officaly.if the case took 10 years instead of about 3 would ali still be the ring champ.would he not be considered retired by force and unvoluntarily..if it went on for 15 years.etc etc.
this is not a case of a so called controversial descion.its a case of rules and letterman clearly and intelligently presented thoses rules and then said its a no contest..the ref is now saying the injury was caused by a incidental move..incidental.what the hell does that mean ..its a cya word in this case.a forcefull shove is realy incidental.non issue a meaningless gesture so to speak.
i guess the rules are what the cal commision says even if it differs from the wbc or other so called thoughts ..now if california wants to ignore the rules as clearly defined beautrifully like letterman did then so be it.but is it not ring magazines jouranlistic responsibilty to take a stand based on the rules which clearly proves lettermans correct no matter what cal or anyone else says.its called leadership.ring at times showed plenty in the past..today they want it both ways.the ring title is already been given to dawson.yet hopkins is listed as there champ without holding any title including the ring title..are they now telling us the belt and title are two differnt things.thats what there saying today..

I think you guys misunderstood why I said it was a joke that he was petitioning Ring. It's a magazine plain and simple, in the grand scheme of things a magazine doesn't mean shit.

Dmar, the Ali situation had nothing to with a official ruling in the ring. The Ring has never gone against an official ring ruling even if they disagreed with it.

hardcorebee24 wrote:I think you guys misunderstood why I said it was a joke that he was petitioning Ring. It's a magazine plain and simple, in the grand scheme of things a magazine doesn't mean shit.

Neither do the ABC orgs. They don't sanction fights either, the States or country the fight is held in does.

So I agree that petitioning the WBC and The Ring is stupid since CSAC has the final say since they sanctioned the fight and whatever they decide will be the official decision.

The best the WBC could do is demand a rematch for their trinket. Or continue to be a joke and go against the official decision and let Hops keep their trinket even though Dawson officially won the fight, unless CSAC revereses the decision

SlickMoney wrote:

The World Boxing Council will continue to recognize Bernard Hopkins as its light heavyweight champ following a vote of its board of directors on Wednesday, RingTV.com has learned.

THE RING magazine continues to recognize Hopkins as its champ pending that ruling.

http://ringtv.craveonline.com/rumors/articles/169752-wbc-to-recognize-hopkins-as-champ

wtf

So what if CSAC doesn't overturn the decision, WBC still have Hops as their "champ" even though officialy he lost the fight?

The Ring will go with whatever final decision is. If not, they lose all credibility, and will be first proof that GB has finaly corrupted them.

GrantZilla wrote:So what if CSAC doesn't overturn the decision, WBC still have Hops as their "champ" even though officialy he lost the fight?

The Ring will go with whatever final decision is. If not, they lose all credibility, and will be first proof that GB has finaly corrupted them.

Both are a joke

gomez1012 wrote:Both are a joke

How so? What Ring Champs right now do not consider to be The Champ of their division?

If CSAC does not overturn the decision, and The Ring credits Dawson as The Champ, they will just as much shit, if not more, than if they just credited Hops as The Champ.

Go look at all shit they got for Casa-Cruz robbery

Ring Champs are meaningless in today's $$$$$$$$$$$$$ game

People give more credit to the P4P lists

gomez1012 wrote:Ring Champs are meaningless in today's $$$$$$$$$$$$$ game

Is that you Bob Arum? You ain't fooling no one

Like most things with boxing, Ring is outdated

gomez1012 wrote:Like most things with boxing, Ring is outdated

Yeah, we shouldn't have anything tries to bring clairity to who real Champs are. I say we give every fighter a belt and call them all Champs. More $$$$$

GrantZilla wrote:

gomez1012 wrote:Like most things with boxing, Ring is outdated

Yeah, we shouldn't have anything tries to bring clairity to who real Champs are. I say we give every fighter a belt and call them all Champs. More $$$$$

Can deny it if you want but when most of the championships are vacant and fighters, promoters, networks dont care for it whats the point?

gomez1012 wrote:Can deny it if you want but when most of the championships are vacant and fighters, promoters, networks dont care for it whats the point?

HBO credits the real Champs. Even more so now that GreenChump is gone. When they showed middleweight rankings, they put Martinez above everyone else. Refering to him as Champ, and the rest as titleholders.

And vancancies have as much to do with all stupid nich weight classes and fighters not staying in division long enough to fight top guys.

Not a coincidence that the non vacancies are almost all the eight traditional weight classes.