Why Oscar De La Hoya is a lock for the HOF

This was asked in the Shane Mosley thread so I am branching it off into it's own new thread to keep discussions on topic.

• Olympic Gold Medalist
  
  
• Leader in PPV Boxing Sales/Income (generating over $700 million dollars)
  
  
• Set the record for most buys in a single PPV event
  
  
• Runs a very successful boxing promotional company employing regional managers such as Ricky Hatton, Winky Wright, Juan Manuel Marquez, and Winky Wright.
  
  
• Has successfully put fights (for himself and GBP fighters) on HBO, Showtime, ESPN, Foxsports, as well as fights abroad.
  
  
• Hosted a boxing reality show on Fox Sports and assisted with the Contender (CBS, ESPN, Versus) on multiple seasons.
  
  
• Ring Fighter of the Year in 1995
  
  
• Ring #1 Rater p4p fighter in 1997 and 1998
  
  
• Won world titles in six different weight classes
  
  
• He is on the cover of PSP, DS, XBOX, PS3, and WII Fight Night Games
  
  
• He never fought a fighter with a losing record
  
  
• One of the most competitive resumes in boxing history.

Notable Wins:

• Fernando Vargas (biggest win of his career)
  
• Arturo Gatti
  
• Ricardo Mayorga
  
• Steve Forbes
  
• Julio Caser Chavez (twice)
  
• Hector Camacho
  
• Jon Jon Molina
  
• Ike Quartey (a very close fight that could have gone either way)
  
• Pernell Whitaker (a very close fight that could have gone either way, judges preferred the aggressor)

Controversial Wins:

• Felix Sturm (it's rumored that even Oscar says he lost this fight)

Controversial Losses:

• Shane Mosley 2 (the vast majority of viewers had Oscar winning this fight)
  
• Felix Trinidad (almost every single person watching this fight had Oscar winning)

Defeats:

• Manny Pacquiao (weight drained, shot fighter)
  
• Floyd Mayweather Jr. (lost by split decision, however 115-113 was the most accurate score)
  
• Bernard Hopkins (moved up to middleweight to try to take out the best)
  
• Shane Mosley 1 (lost 113-115)

Yup, he's in the Hall of FAME

Completely forgot Oscar fought Gatti.

Anybody think Oscar beats Floyd in rematch?

I think he could of

gomez1012 wrote:Anybody think Oscar beats Floyd in rematch?

I think he could of

No, Oscar looked horrible in that Forbes tune up, you could see the writing on the wall in that bout.

shaun several good reasons why oscar will make it..the promoter thing the contender thing are 2 great reasons outside of his fighting career...ill disagree strongly oscar has one of the most competetive resumes in boxing history..far far from it.oscar had what 45-46 or so fights.i can name several fighters who had at least that many fights against the elite of there time.45 or so fights against the very best and that very best includes fighters that were greater then oscar himself..outside that a excellent review of why you feel he will make it..

Ali wrote:

gomez1012 wrote:Anybody think Oscar beats Floyd in rematch?

I think he could of

No, Oscar looked horrible in that Forbes tune up, you could see the writing on the wall in that bout.

..correct ali.floyd would of won the rematch.oscar should of won the first fight but stupidity prevailed after the first 6 or 7 rounds.

i also would not count the gatti or forbes wins as a achievement.a win over a extremly popular club fighter and a c plus fighter is not impressive.its expected and expected to be a big easy win.

Hmmm I think Oscar style was alot better suited for a Floyd match up... but your right Forbes touched him up bad. Still don't see why Floyd backed out of it

gomez1012 wrote:Hmmm I think Oscar style was alot better suited for a Floyd match up... but your right Forbes touched him up bad. Still don't see why Floyd backed out of it

Forbes broke Oscar's cheek bone that night, and remember Oscar was on the process of dropping back down to Welterweight, so he'd still be drained for the rematch.

great points. he had some great wins and a solid resume. if it were just off of his fighting career, he would be a maybe but with everything else he is a lock.

Shaun wrote:This was asked in the Shane Mosley thread so I am branching it off into it's own new thread to keep discussions on topic.

• Olympic Gold Medalist...N/A
  
  
• Leader in PPV Boxing Sales/Income (generating over $700 million dollars)...N/A
  
  
• Set the record for most buys in a single PPV event...N/A
  
  
• Runs a very successful boxing promotional company employing regional managers such as Ricky Hatton, Winky Wright, Juan Manuel Marquez, and Winky Wright....N/A
  
  
• Has successfully put fights (for himself and GBP fighters) on HBO, Showtime, ESPN, Foxsports, as well as fights abroad....N/A
  
  
• Hosted a boxing reality show on Fox Sports and assisted with the Contender (CBS, ESPN, Versus) on multiple seasons....N/A
  
  
• Ring Fighter of the Year in 1995
  
  
• Ring #1 Rater p4p fighter in 1997 and 1998
  
  
• Won world titles in six different weight classes....sort of.
  
  
• He is on the cover of PSP, DS, XBOX, PS3, and WII Fight Night Games...N/A
  
  
• He never fought a fighter with a losing record...so?
  
  
• One of the most competitive resumes in boxing history.

...true

Notable Wins:

• Fernando Vargas (biggest win of his career)
  
• Arturo Gatti.....did it for the money...had no chance.
  
• Ricardo Mayorga...shot.
  
• Steve Forbes...tiny...how is this notable?
  
• Julio Caser Chavez (twice)...old & done.
  
• Hector Camacho....shot...completely. (and high)
  
• Jon Jon Molina
  
• Ike Quartey (a very close fight that could have gone either way)
  
• Pernell Whitaker (a very close fight that could have gone either way, judges preferred the aggressor)

....some say Oscar lost. (I do not)

Controversial Wins:

• Felix Sturm (it's rumored that even Oscar says he lost this fight)

...horrible.

Controversial Losses:

• Shane Mosley 2 (the vast majority of viewers had Oscar winning this fight)..I did.
  
• Felix Trinidad (almost every single person watching this fight had Oscar winning)

...still a loss...

Defeats:

• Manny Pacquiao (weight drained, shot fighter)
  
• Floyd Mayweather Jr. (lost by split decision, however 115-113 was the most accurate score)
  
• Bernard Hopkins (moved up to middleweight to try to take out the best)
  
• Shane Mosley 1 (lost 113-115)

Most of that has nothing to do with getting in the HOF. While I agree that he's a lock, his resume' tends to disagree. For me, his most impressive win was his destruction of Raffy Ruelas, at the time, that is.

whether or not you think so, all of those extra things are in consideration for HOF. its not always just on their fights. and if you are saying a lot of those wins arent good for oscar then mosley has maybe one good win.

oscars resume as powerpuncher says is a maybe..lets call it boarderline but it is a better resume then mosleys.so if oscars a maybe then shane is a no...some of thoses things outside the resume has a lot to do with him getting into the hall.being one of the top 3 promoters in the last 35 years along side to hofamers like arum and king is very good point.oscar has put together or was involved in many top fights some of them huge as a promoter.hes young and his career as a promoter is still a long way to go before hes retired.had he had a lousy career or no career as a fighter but his accomplishments as a promoter which still is far from over gets him in the hall just on that..so its a extremly important point.

dmar5143 wrote:oscars resume as powerpuncher says is a maybe..lets call it boarderline but it is a better resume then mosleys.so if oscars a maybe then shane is a no...some of thoses things outside the resume has a lot to do with him getting into the hall.being one of the top 3 promoters in the last 35 years along side to hofamers like arum and king is very good point.oscar has put together or was involved in many top fights some of them huge as a promoter.hes young and his career as a promoter is still a long way to go before hes retired.had he had a lousy career or no career as a fighter but his accomplishments as a promoter which still is far from over gets him in the hall just on that..so its a extremly important point.

Are you high? He's been promoting for a few years and hasn't truly developed any real champions on his own yet. He's not anywhere near Arum's or King's league yet and with his current problems, who knows. Keep in mind it was Arum that helped make him the household name he is. The question here is HOF career. Every other fighter in the Hall is there because of their career & resume'. Oscar should be no different.

flapanther2001 wrote:

dmar5143 wrote:oscars resume as powerpuncher says is a maybe..lets call it boarderline but it is a better resume then mosleys.so if oscars a maybe then shane is a no...some of thoses things outside the resume has a lot to do with him getting into the hall.being one of the top 3 promoters in the last 35 years along side to hofamers like arum and king is very good point.oscar has put together or was involved in many top fights some of them huge as a promoter.hes young and his career as a promoter is still a long way to go before hes retired.had he had a lousy career or no career as a fighter but his accomplishments as a promoter which still is far from over gets him in the hall just on that..so its a extremly important point.

Are you high? He's been promoting for a few years and hasn't truly developed any real champions on his own yet. He's not anywhere near Arum's or King's league yet and with his current problems, who knows. Keep in mind it was Arum that helped make him the household name he is. The question here is HOF career. Every other fighter in the Hall is there because of their career & resume'. Oscar should be no different.

Some of the stuff Shaun put up is exaggerated but Oscar has contributed in a lot of different ways. All of that matters. He has a HoF career anyways, and even if he didn't he was the face of the sport. He gets in regardless, it's only a matter if people say he's overrated or not.

Gumby wrote:

flapanther2001 wrote:

dmar5143 wrote:oscars resume as powerpuncher says is a maybe..lets call it boarderline but it is a better resume then mosleys.so if oscars a maybe then shane is a no...some of thoses things outside the resume has a lot to do with him getting into the hall.being one of the top 3 promoters in the last 35 years along side to hofamers like arum and king is very good point.oscar has put together or was involved in many top fights some of them huge as a promoter.hes young and his career as a promoter is still a long way to go before hes retired.had he had a lousy career or no career as a fighter but his accomplishments as a promoter which still is far from over gets him in the hall just on that..so its a extremly important point.

Are you high? He's been promoting for a few years and hasn't truly developed any real champions on his own yet. He's not anywhere near Arum's or King's league yet and with his current problems, who knows. Keep in mind it was Arum that helped make him the household name he is. The question here is HOF career. Every other fighter in the Hall is there because of their career & resume'. Oscar should be no different.

Some of the stuff Shaun put up is exaggerated but Oscar has contributed in a lot of different ways. All of that matters. He has a HoF career anyways, and even if he didn't he was the face of the sport. He gets in regardless, it's only a matter if people say he's overrated or not.

I said he gets in, no problem, but all that other stuff about him being a great promoter is nonsense. He's a newbie in that area. If Ali had talked all that trash, & lost to Liston, Patterson, Foreman, etc, would he be HOF?

i am not high..read again.im not infuring oscars been promoting for 35 years just that over the past 35 years oscars one of the top 3.personaly i dont care who developed what fighters at what stage..its the fights they put together as a promoter that counts..and oscar has been involved in big ones including the floyd -oscar fight..a all time grear promoter is teddy brennen.how many fighters did he develope from scratch.hes in the hall.ditto mike jacobs.they were in the business of promoting fights for the garden.they put together big time ones.there in the hall also.there efforts was promoting fights.not developing fighters.who made floyd a big star..oscar.pac.oscar.and with there fights involving oscar in which oscar helped promote and in floyds fight it was all oscar.thoses fighters were developed by someone else but oscar made them a superstar..you can bet your bottom dollar oscar can and will make the hall just based on his promoting.

and his promoting is far from done.

plus shaun forgot to mention oscar is the owner of ring magazine..the sports most influential magazine.whats called the bible of boxing.career wise hes extremly versitle.a top fighter and cash cow.a top promoter.a top influencial media owner..a olimpic champ.all that adds up as his life is boxing..and hes good at them all.

dmar5143 wrote:i am not high..read again.im not infuring oscars been promoting for 35 years just that over the past 35 years oscars one of the top 3.personaly i dont care who developed what fighters at what stage..its the fights they put together as a promoter that counts..and oscar has been involved in big ones including the floyd -oscar fight..a all time grear promoter is teddy brennen.how many fighters did he develope from scratch.hes in the hall.ditto mike jacobs.they were in the business of promoting fights for the garden.they put together big time ones.there in the hall also.there efforts was promoting fights.not developing fighters.who made floyd a big star..oscar.pac.oscar.and with there fights involving oscar in which oscar helped promote and in floyds fight it was all oscar.thoses fighters were developed by someone else but oscar made them a superstar..you can bet your bottom dollar oscar can and will make the hall just based on his promoting.

When asking the question: Is Oscar HOF, it was based on his career & resume'. Period. Oscar has made no one a superstar, unless it was via whipping his ass, ala Manny & Floyd. True, there are promoters in the Hall, but that wasn't the point, now was it? Oscar's future has yet to be written, so we'll see what happens. He's been the recipient of many breaks in his career because he was the face of boxing. Now, he has to clean up his act & make his own breaks.

dmar5143 wrote:plus shaun forgot to mention oscar is the owner of ring magazine..the sports most influential magazine.whats called the bible of boxing.career wise hes extremly versitle.a top fighter and cash cow.a top promoter.a top influencial media owner..a olimpic champ.all that adds up as his life is boxing..and hes good at them all.

LOL...if you say so...

no the topic shaun gave included ALL of oscars career in boxing in and out of the ring.he just forgot to add ring mag as a plus.the question then was oscar hall worthy based on EVERYTHING.the anser is yes..

dmar5143 wrote:no the topic shaun gave included ALL of oscars career in boxing in and out of the ring.he just forgot to add ring mag as a plus.the question then was oscar hall worthy based on EVERYTHING.the anser is yes..

Actually, no. I asked in the Shane thread if Oscar was HOF. That was based on career. Buying The ring Mag doesn't make Oscar more Hall worthy. If anything it creates a bias since he's a promoter. In case you hadn't noticed, Oscar has become as bad if not worse than all the other promoters in the way he treats his fighters, as witnessed in the JMM/Floyd fight. Now he's in rehab. LOL.

the topic we are adressing is this topic..and EVERYTHING is part of this topic based on shauns question...in another thread on shanes worthiness is where you are saying or implying mosley has a better resume.and as i pointed out at 135 and 147 he does not.so if you feel just based on the record as a fighter only oscar falls short then surely shane falls into a deeper whole.period.if oscar just barely makes it into the hall that does not mean shane deserves to be in.as shauns topic nicely implied he gave several reasons why oscar will make it based on activites in and out of the ring.i agree.you dont..the guys a success at promoting weather anyone likes it or not.or how he became a success.again you stated oscar was the face of boxing.yep he was for years and since that face of boxing is not worthy to be in the hall based on everything then anyone in his era by that reasoning is not worthy either...thanks for sharing your thoughts against oscar...