Universum threatening to sue the WBA

Klaus-Peter Kohl, promoter of WBA mandatory challenger Ruslan Chagaev, says a lawsuit against the WBA is a possibility. “Ruslan is still the WBA mandatory challenger for world champion David Haye,” Kohl told abendblatt.de. “I’m curious to see how the WBA justifies allowing Haye to take a title unification against Wladimir Klitschko. We will not simply accept this…the WBA sanctioned an eliminator, which Ruslan boxed in and I paid the fees. We demand this to be respected and not circumvented. Haye had until the end of April to make his mandatory defense. He will not meet this date. I think now a court will have to decide what we deserve.”

http://www.fightnews.com/Boxing/universum-threatens-wba-lawsuit-79853

Pathetic, basically this will force the WBA to create another bogus trinket

Haye should dump the belt, but he won't. Boxers really are dumb. He's fighting the real Champ in Wlad. Fuck the belts!

GrantZilla wrote:Haye should dump the belt, but he won't. Boxers really are dumb. He's fighting the real Champ in Wlad. Fuck the belts!

Boxers aren't dumb for keeping trinkets, when you own one you get alot of media attention. Especially in the UK.

I just wish it was one belt per division but it'll never happen

does anybody else ever notice thats its pretty much only the HWs suing over these things and they are the ones who in no way deserve even a trinket.

Ali wrote:

GrantZilla wrote:Haye should dump the belt, but he won't. Boxers really are dumb. He's fighting the real Champ in Wlad. Fuck the belts!

Boxers aren't dumb for keeping trinkets, when you own one you get alot of media attention. Especially in the UK.

I just wish it was one belt per division but it'll never happen

They are dumb paying sanctiong fees for some joke trinket and joke mandatories. I don't feel bad for them when shit like this happens.

GrantZilla wrote:

Ali wrote:

GrantZilla wrote:Haye should dump the belt, but he won't. Boxers really are dumb. He's fighting the real Champ in Wlad. Fuck the belts!

Boxers aren't dumb for keeping trinkets, when you own one you get alot of media attention. Especially in the UK.

I just wish it was one belt per division but it'll never happen

They are dumb paying sanctiong fees for some joke trinket and joke mandatories. I don't feel bad for them when shit like this happens.

The money the trinket earns from tv appearances and billing the fight as a title fight outweighs sanctioning fees.

We may not like it but it's not dumb.

They are dumb. Trinkets don't mean shit today in boxing. Every fighter has one practically. Haye is not champ and knows it. He knows he's got to beat Wlad to be a Champ. Outside maybe the dumb Brit media, everyone knows Wlad is the Champ or at the top of the HW division. Haye just paying sanctiong fees to be a paper champ

Fighters go along with it because most of them would never be a Champ if there was only one belt per division. Trinkets now are the same as giving trophies to the losers

you know better than this Grant, I hate the multiple trinkets as much as you do but they bring fighters money and tv appearances.

Ali wrote: you know better than this Grant, I hate the multiple trinkets as much as you do but they bring fighters money and tv appearances.

Not really. A trinket today is just icing for some fighter the networks are trying to buil into a star. HBO was trying to build Berto up before he got a trinket. And did getting one make him more of a draw? Fuck no. Can't even get anyone to show up in his home town and brings in terrible ratings.

Haye doesn't need a trinket. His big mouth has always what made him a sell

Casual fan doesn't care about belts anymore. They just want to see name fighters. Nobody cared that Mayweather-Mosley wasn't for a trinket because Mayweather refused to pay

GrantZilla wrote:

Ali wrote: you know better than this Grant, I hate the multiple trinkets as much as you do but they bring fighters money and tv appearances.

Not really. A trinket today is just icing for some fighter the networks are trying to buil into a star. HBO was trying to build Berto up before he got a trinket. And did getting one make him more of a draw? Fuck no. Can't even get anyone to show up in home town and brings in terrible ratings.

Haye doesn't need a trinket. His big mouth has always what made him a sell

sigh... you're a brick wall.

No you're being hypocritical again because Haye is your boy. You get on the Klits for being in love with their trinkets and I've seen you say a fighters should dump his trinket to fight someone you want instead of thei manditory

Haye should just dump it if this is going to be a problem. he has the fight with the Klitschko. if he fights either and beats them then he gets a title at worst or the Undisputed Championship which seems like the more likely fight at the moment. if he loses then he loses the belt anyway. so Haye will have nothing to lose by dumping the WBA title seeing as the fight has already been made. Chagaev will be given a fat wedge to wait aside. or the WBA will make up some ruling about Chagaev's hepatitis test failure etc etc. it will get smoothed out

GrantZilla wrote:No you're being hypocritical again because Haye is your boy. You get on the Klits for being in love with their trinkets and I've seen you say a fighters should dump his trinket to fight someone you want instead of thei manditory

First of all I've stated many times that I want boxing to go back to one belt per division. What I am arguing here is that a fighter with a trinket is able to earn money with tv appearances and the media attention it brings him. It's not dumb to want to hold onto one, you think anybody in Scotland would know about Ricky Burns if the Martinez fight wasn't for a trinket ? Of course not, nobody outside boxing fans would care.

We all know how you feel about sanctioning bodies Grant but sometimes you let your feelings cloud over your common sense.

dbudge wrote:Haye should just dump it if this is going to be a problem. he has the fight with the Klitschko. if he fights either and beats them then he gets a title at worst or the Undisputed Championship which seems like the more likely fight at the moment. if he loses then he loses the belt anyway. so Haye will have nothing to lose by dumping the WBA title seeing as the fight has already been made. Chagaev will be given a fat wedge to wait aside. or the WBA will make up some ruling about Chagaev's hepatitis test failure etc etc. it will get smoothed out

It won't be a problem, the WBA will just create another bogus trinket to keep Chageav happy

I have to agree with Ali on this. If the sanctioning bodies didn't benefit fighters and promoters, they would be gone by now. They don't benefit any of the top money or p4p guys but the next tier or so benefit greatly. Feather-fisted Paulie would never have been heard of without a trinket. A fighter like Sartison benefits not only from multiple trinkets in a division but multiple trinkets with the same putrid WBA in the same division. I doubt he would have gotten any exposure without them.

My point is Ali, Haye doesn't need the bullshit WBA belt. There is no point in him keeping it outside bullshit like this and sanctioning fees.

Ali wrote:

GrantZilla wrote:Haye should dump the belt, but he won't. Boxers really are dumb. He's fighting the real Champ in Wlad. Fuck the belts!

Boxers aren't dumb for keeping trinkets, when you own one you get alot of media attention. Especially in the UK.

I just wish it was one belt per division but it'll never happen

But Haye wont need that belt. He could dump it and if he wins he will get another one. Also even if he kept it and lost he would still lose it. I say the best thing he could do is save some money and dump it.

Ali wrote:

GrantZilla wrote:Haye should dump the belt, but he won't. Boxers really are dumb. He's fighting the real Champ in Wlad. Fuck the belts!

Boxers aren't dumb for keeping trinkets, when you own one you get alot of media attention. Especially in the UK.

I just wish it was one belt per division but it'll never happen

When you are on your way up, having a belt makes some sense if it gets dumb tv outlets and dumb fans to buy into you (which it shouldn't).

When you are Haye the belt is absolutely useless!!! Wlad doesn't need a belt. Haye doesn't need a belt. Vitali doesn't need a belt. Anyone who knows even a little bit about boxing knows they are the best HWs.

Agreed. He's wasting his money to keep it. WBA will either strip him, or give him some bullshit title like "super duper WBA Champ" Add on the money he will waste to fight Wlad for his trinkets. Each one takes like 3% of your purse. I remember Jones Jr barely making any money from all the sanction fees he had to pay out

theres no doubt these fees are legal blackmail or extortion.there used to be a cap from the wbc of 3 percent or 150 000 at the most.the 150 is extremly excessive.to pay a fee for a manditory no matter what your merit is in the ring is equaly bad. now there fee is unlimited.a while back boxing illustrated strongly opposed the fees and if there was no clear lineal champ suggested that the top 4 rated contenders fight with the ultimate winner being the new lineal champ..1 vs 4 2 vs 3 and the winners meeting.this makes more sence then rings policy of the first two only.
yes haye is in a ideal position if the court case goes against him to tell the wbc to screw off.
yes tv was the main culprit along with promoters encouraging this nonsence and some fighters foolishly valueing these belts.especialy 5 champs in one division by one commision..
does a belt give a fighter publicity and some notiriety.of course.endorsements.not realy.150 plus belt holders maybe today and maybe a few fighters have small endorsement packages compared to others in sports..a token type of money.
the bottom line all of us are against this blackmail and open coruptness.i dont believe a phoney belt increases ratings.fighters make ratings not a belt.a real one champ per division only belt well thats different.not a phoney belt...it is what it is.yes outcries from magazines writers even some tv commentaters is growing..thats a start but far from enough.
lets not worry about theses bullshit commisions there belts etc etc.the fight is what counts.it did before these belts and peoples attention was on a big fight.marciano-louis ali-frazier 2 dempsey-sharkey foreman-frazier 2 are a few examples of no belt.just a big fight.
this court action is not going to stop the haye-wlad fight.nor is any phoney commision.if i was in that fighters position and i had to pay 1 million dollars for there fees id tell them strip me of your nonsence.ill put that money away for my family.the fight will still go on .especialy if im the lineal champ....wake up folks.

I think The Ring's policy is fine. Fuck, look how hard it is now to fill Ring vancies because the top two fighters won't fight it out for whatever BS reason.

Everytime it seems we get close to crowning a new Champ, some BS happens. Like Donaire-Moreno.

I just hope whoever replaces Greenburg realizes the belts are crap. Nobody cares about them because every fighter got a belt now. They're totaly devalued.

Only Lineor/Ring aka The People's belt, counts.

My Boy Haye does not need the WBA belt any more! So if they want to sue the WBA Haye should dump the belt and continue with his fight with Wlad, Any ways he already has his copy of the belt for his trophy case and when he knocks out Wlad he will have a Ring belt right next to it!!!

nano212 wrote:My Boy Haye does not need the WBA belt any more! So if they want to sue the WBA Haye should dump the belt and continue with his fight with Wlad, Any ways he already has his copy of the belt for his trophy case and when he knocks out Wlad he will have a Ring belt right next to it!!!

Agreed. And even Haye knows it.

"I think that's the biggest fight in the world. He's the guy who's ranked number one by a lot of experts, he's got the Ring Magazine belt. He's the guy I'm going after."

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard-sport/article-23929739-haye-expects-wladimir-to-be-fit.do

UBeeg9cats wrote:I have to agree with Ali on this. If the sanctioning bodies didn't benefit fighters and promoters, they would be gone by now. They don't benefit any of the top money or p4p guys but the next tier or so benefit greatly. Feather-fisted Paulie would never have been heard of without a trinket. A fighter like Sartison benefits not only from multiple trinkets in a division but multiple trinkets with the same putrid WBA in the same division. I doubt he would have gotten any exposure without them.

+1

GrantZilla wrote:My point is Ali, Haye doesn't need the bullshit WBA belt. There is no point in him keeping it outside bullshit like this and sanctioning fees.

God you really are being stupid about this.

Without the belt Haye isn't getting 50%, and Wladimir wants the trinket so him and Vitali can own all the trinkets at the same time.