Refs need to start deducting points for Excessive Clinching

Forget the head butts, Devon Alexander was using holding as his DEFENSE

Refs need to force the action by taking points away if a guy keeps hugging

Unless your on the verge of getting KO'd there should be no reason for a fighter to grapple his opponents so he doesnt punch

If a fighter hugs more than say 5x times a round points need to start coming off

Marquess of Queensberry Rules
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marquess_of_Queensberry_Rules

2. No wrestling or hugging (clinching) allowed.

Perfect example Ref Keith Hughes in the Berto-Collazo
Round 4 starts at 5:55

One thing is that fighters need to stop giving in to being held. Too often they simply accept it. Want the ref to notice? Thrash about, pull your arms out, punch with your free hand. Do NOT just accept it!

marbleheadmaui wrote:One thing is that fighters need to stop giving in to being held. Too often they simply accept it. Want the ref to notice? Thrash about, pull your arms out, punch with your free hand. Do NOT just accept it!

exactly, Remember Angulo with his last opponent, he didnt give in with the clinch and turn the fight over and won it by KO. He kept working to land his punches. Gamboa's KO over Al Seeger is another example. He caught him cold while Seeger was trying to clinch.

marbleheadmaui wrote:One thing is that fighters need to stop giving in to being held. Too often they simply accept it. Want the ref to notice? Thrash about, pull your arms out, punch with your free hand. Do NOT just accept it!

..or you smack em behind the head like Froch lol

marbleheadmaui wrote:One thing is that fighters need to stop giving in to being held. Too often they simply accept it. Want the ref to notice? Thrash about, pull your arms out, punch with your free hand. Do NOT just accept it!

Great call

Fight your way out of it if the ref isnt doing anything about it

In Mexico, the clinch doesnt exsist.

Groundhog wrote:

marbleheadmaui wrote:One thing is that fighters need to stop giving in to being held. Too often they simply accept it. Want the ref to notice? Thrash about, pull your arms out, punch with your free hand. Do NOT just accept it!

..or you smack em behind the head like Froch lol

Seriously!

Diego408 wrote:In Mexico, the clinch doesnt exsist.

Hahahaha

gomez1012 wrote:

marbleheadmaui wrote:One thing is that fighters need to stop giving in to being held. Too often they simply accept it. Want the ref to notice? Thrash about, pull your arms out, punch with your free hand. Do NOT just accept it!

Great call

Fight your way out of it if the ref isnt doing anything about it

Yup. And when the fans and ref see the guy being held FIGHTING against it? It kind of forces the referee to act.

marbleheadmaui wrote:

Groundhog wrote:

marbleheadmaui wrote:One thing is that fighters need to stop giving in to being held. Too often they simply accept it. Want the ref to notice? Thrash about, pull your arms out, punch with your free hand. Do NOT just accept it!

..or you smack em behind the head like Froch lol

Seriously!

I believe the ref eventually deducted Dirrell late in the fight for holding every 5 secs. Froch didn't get deducted for rabbit punches even though he landed a few when Dirrell grabbed him.

By the last couple rounds Dirrell actually came on, got a clue, and started to dominate the fight by sticking and moving, but by then it was too late.

Excessive clinching is tantamount to stalling. If the hierarchy of boxing want their sport to flourish, they'll do something about it to make it more exciting. When baseball was dying, after the strikes, they figured out a way to garner interest. Juiced up baseballs (and players..LOL) caused all those homeruns to bring back the fans. If they don't, boxing will bore the younger generation.

gomez1012 wrote:Forget the head butts, Devon Alexander was using holding as his DEFENSE

Refs need to force the action by taking points away if a guy keeps hugging

Unless your on the verge of getting KO'd there should be no reason for a fighter to grapple his opponents so he doesnt punch

If a fighter hugs more than say 5x times a round points need to start coming off

Marquess of Queensberry Rules
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marquess_of_Queensberry_Rules

2. No wrestling or hugging (clinching) allowed.

Perfect example Ref Keith Hughes in the Berto-Collazo
Round 4 starts at 5:55

LOL...you're the "hispaniccausingpanic"?

Hahaha sure am

Somebody got my other one banned, they wouldnt reinstate gomez1012 at ESPN

Or could do what Mayweather did with Hatton to keep Hatton from hitting and holding. Remeber right when Hatton get inside to hold, Mayweather stick his elbows into his face. Hatton stopped doing it after getting face full of elbows.

But almost all refs are total incompetant. I doubt most of them even know the rules as far as clinching

It is illegal to use clinching as a offensive, such as hitting and holding. It's also illegal to use clinching to keep the other fighter from staying busy. Wlad does this all the time, and no ref calls it.

Only time clinching is allowed is when a fighter is tired or is hurt. That's it!

gomez1012 wrote:Hahaha sure am

Somebody got my other one banned, they wouldnt reinstate gomez1012 at ESPN

Bunch of douche bags over there anyway.

GrantZilla wrote:Or could do what Mayweather did with Hatton to keep Hatton from hitting and holding. Remeber right when Hatton get inside to hold, Mayweather stick his elbows into his face. Hatton stopped doing it after getting face full of elbows.

But almost all refs are total incompetant. I doubt most of them even know the rules as far as clinching

It is illegal to use clinching as a offensive, such as hitting and holding. It's also illegal to use clinching to keep the other fighter from staying busy. Wlad does this all the time, and no ref calls it.

Only time clinching is allowed is when a fighter is tired or is hurt. That's it!

The ref kept Hatton from clinching in that fight too!!

flapanther2001 wrote:
Bunch of douche bags over there anyway.

True, kill parts of day while at work at that wasteland lol

flapanther2001 wrote:The ref kept Hatton from clinching in that fight too!!

Yup. Cortez is notorious for breaking fighters up. You can bet why Mayweather camp picked him.

GrantZilla wrote:

flapanther2001 wrote:The ref kept Hatton from clinching in that fight too!!

Yup. Cortez is notorious for breaking fighters up. You can bet why Mayweather camp picked him.

Cortez ref for GBP fights Khan-Maidana, Hatton-Flod. Khan and Flod win, opponents complain about ref...

just saying...

gomez1012 wrote:

flapanther2001 wrote:
Bunch of douche bags over there anyway.

True, kill parts of day while at work at that wasteland lol

Lol I knew this for a while. I just never wanted to blow up your spot. Writing patterns are suprisingly easy to direct most of the time.

yes fight your way out of the clitch..bull push shove etc ..the refs need to do something i agree.

hardcorebee24 wrote:Lol I knew this for a while. I just never wanted to blow up your spot. Writing patterns are suprisingly easy to direct most of the time.

I dont even care lol

You still posting over there? I figured you where using something over there, could never guess which one lol

gomez1012 wrote:

hardcorebee24 wrote:Lol I knew this for a while. I just never wanted to blow up your spot. Writing patterns are suprisingly easy to direct most of the time.

I dont even care lol

You still posting over there? I figured you where using something over there, could never guess which one lol

I mostly lurk. I post as myself if I do post.

marbleheadmaui wrote:One thing is that fighters need to stop giving in to being held. Too often they simply accept it. Want the ref to notice? Thrash about, pull your arms out, punch with your free hand. Do NOT just accept it!

so true. Hit his ass with anything you can. Most of the time a guy just accepts it and then after the fight complains about being held.

I don't know why a trainer doesn't train a fighter for that. If you are going to face a guy that holds alot (and that isn't what you want your fighter to deal with), I'd have him work on that for at least 3-4 rounds of sparring.

captainanddew wrote:

marbleheadmaui wrote:One thing is that fighters need to stop giving in to being held. Too often they simply accept it. Want the ref to notice? Thrash about, pull your arms out, punch with your free hand. Do NOT just accept it!

so true. Hit his ass with anything you can. Most of the time a guy just accepts it and then after the fight complains about being held.

I don't know why a trainer doesn't train a fighter for that. If you are going to face a guy that holds alot (and that isn't what you want your fighter to deal with), I'd have him work on that for at least 3-4 rounds of sparring.

Go back 110 years when fights were longer and the pacing was different and wrestling was a part of training. Learning how to tangle, and how to get disentangled from the other guy were skills taught and practiced. Bring Dan Gable in for a Greco-Roman teaching session and your fighter will learn how to escape this bullspit.