Team Klitschko aren't considering Vegas for David Haye fight

Bernd Boente, the manager of IBF/IBO/WBO heavyweight champion Wladimir Klitschko, has confirmed that negotiations have begun with the handlers of WBA champion David Haye. They have been talking on the phone, but plan to hold a meeting in the near future.

"Negotiations with the team of David Haye have actually began. While we've had telephone conversations, very soon we shall meet for a more substantial discussion," Boente told FE in Ukraine.

Las Vegas has been mentioned as a possible location for the fight. Boente says there is no chance that Klitschko will face Haye in a Las Vegas venue. They are not against fighting in the United States. The prefered American venue is Madison Square Garden in New York City.

"I can tell you unequivocally that we are not even considering Las Vegas as being among the cities where Wladimir Klitschko can fight Haye. Moreover, our plans do not include carrying the fight to America. If this fight takes place, then certainly it will be in Europe. It can be in London or Dusseldorf or the Schalke stadium in Gelsenkirchen," Boente said.

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It never made sense to begin with- just Schaefer being clueless and talking to the press.

they just need to fight in europe. if the american fans all knew who the klits were and haye was then a fight in the states would make sense but most americans dont care. the fight would be way bigger in europe where people actually care and it would make a lot more money.

If it's in the US- AC or MSG makes more sense. I don't think it will happen, but if it does, I'd bet on Germany.

good to hear

Soccer Stadium w/Khan vs Judah

Glad not in Vegas, because Vegas is a dead zone, and just stupid to have two Euro fighters fight there.

It should be at Madison Square. If the fight is in Europe, it will not get good ratings at all in US. It will be on in middle of the afternoon on Saturday which means it might well not even be on at all. Or tape delayed.

It will get hardly get any US press because they are not going to spend money traveling to Europe to cover it.

It would get tons of press in New York because it's the media capitil.

Wembley Stadium!!!
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This fight should not be in the States, Europe is where the moeny is at for both these guys. If the fights in Vegas, there will be soooo many empty seats. The Gardens is better, but these guys can fill up soccer stadiums across seas.

Diego408 wrote:This fight should not be in the States, Europe is where the moeny is at for both these guys. If the fights in Vegas, there will be soooo many empty seats. The Gardens is better, but these guys can fill up soccer stadiums across seas.

So what? US is a bigger market which none these guys register. The media attention this fight would give the winner would be huge.

As it stands, Wlad and Haye fights are not telivised in the US. IF it's in Europe, if HBO does take it, it'll be on in middle of the afternoon on Saturday, meaning terrible ratings. It will also get zero real media coverage, because as said, no US media outlet going to send anyone over there to cover two fighters that don't even register in the US. However, if it's in New York, they'd be more willing. Especialy if they are offered seating.

The Klits need to push to have this fight in New York. It's only fight can get people's interest here. IF not, have no room to bich about HBO and US not responding to them.

GrantZilla wrote:

Diego408 wrote:This fight should not be in the States, Europe is where the moeny is at for both these guys. If the fights in Vegas, there will be soooo many empty seats. The Gardens is better, but these guys can fill up soccer stadiums across seas.

So what? US is a bigger market which none these guys register. The media attention this fight would give the winner would be huge.

As it stands, Wlad and Haye fights are not telivised in the US. IF it's in Europe, if HBO does take it, it'll be on in middle of the afternoon on Saturday, meaning terrible ratings. It will also get zero real media coverage, because as said, no US media outlet going to send anyone over there to cover two fighters that don't even register in the US. However, if it's in New York, they'd be more willing. Especialy if they are offered seating.

The Klits need to push to have this fight in New York. It's only fight can get people's interest here. IF not, have no room to bich about HBO and US not responding to them.

The US wont respect the fight like Europeans would. This fight best serves boxing at Europe, just my opinion. There will be a whole lot of empty seats at the Gardens, welll unless Cotto is fighting.

Diego408 wrote: This fight best serves boxing at Europe, just my opinion. There will be a whole lot of empty seats at the Gardens, welll unless Cotto is fighting.

No there won't. There is a huge East Euro community in New York. Why you think Adamek got such big Polish fanbase.

Add on Brits are good travelers, and going across the pond is cheaper then say going to Vegas or the West Coast.

GrantZilla wrote:

Diego408 wrote: This fight best serves boxing at Europe, just my opinion. There will be a whole lot of empty seats at the Gardens, welll unless Cotto is fighting.

No there won't. There is a huge East Euro community in New York. Why you think Adamek got such big Polish fanbase.

Add on Brits are good travelers, and going across the pond is cheaper then say going to Vegas or the West Coast.

You make a good point, but I just htink its better for Europe to have it because they are European fighters. As long as the fight happens, I can careless where it happens.

My point is, we got HW title fights not even being telivsed in the US. Both fighters aren't telivised in the US. If it's in Europe, it will only be paid attention to in Europe.

It will not register in the US with fight on in the middle of the afternoon in Germany, with zero major press coverage.

It will not benifit either fighter, or winner as far as increasing their drawing power in the US.

That may fine for Euro fans, but not good for boxing.

This is the fight US will pay attention too. Why needs to be here. Why Haye needs to be in front New York press with his big mouth, drawing attention.

GrantZilla wrote:My point is, we got HW title fights not even being telivsed in the US. Both fighters aren't telivised in the US. If it's in Europe, it will only be paid attention to in Europe.

It will not register in the US with fight on in the middle of the afternoon in Germany, with zero major press coverage.

It will not benifit either fighter, or winner as far as increasing their drawing power in the US.

That may fine for Euro fans, but not good for boxing.

This is the fight US will pay attention too. Why needs to be here. Why Haye needs to be in front New York press with his big mouth, drawing attention.

they did need the US. the market is all in Europe at the moment. David Haye wouldn't make $10million for fighting a bum like Harrison in the States ever. this fight shouldn't be anywhere near the US

The fight will be televised whether it is in the US or Europe, HBO and Showtime will be tripping over themselves to get this fight. The only thing with it being in Europe, is the license fee Showtime/HBO pays will be smaller.

K2 will prefer Showtime after being screwed over by HBO on Wlad's fight.

The big TV money is going to come from Germany and Great Britain. Same goes for the gate. Even if they try to make it PPV in the states, they will just start the main event at 1 am in Europe to cater to American primetime.

I still doubt this fight will happen.

Canvas wrote:The fight will be televised whether it is in the US or Europe, HBO and Showtime will be tripping over themselves to get this fight. The only thing with it being in Europe, is the license fee Showtime/HBO pays will be smaller.

K2 will prefer Showtime after being screwed over by HBO on Wlad's fight.

The big TV money is going to come from Germany and Great Britain. Same goes for the gate. Even if they try to make it PPV in the states, they will just start the main event at 1 am in Europe to cater to American primetime.

I still doubt this fight will happen.

They won't cater to US if it's in Europe. It'll be on in middle of the afternnon or tape delayed. If it's on Showtime, with only 16 million sbuscribers, it'll be lucky to get million viewers.

But hey, if both fighters want to continue to be irrelvant in US and have US networks not giving fuck about them, that's cool.

That is why little guys like PAc-Man make more then they do.

Grant why would Haye and Klitschko be worried about being relevant in the US when they make huge money over here that there isn't a market for over there. why would they go out of their way when they're already at the top of their trade and making bigger paydays on these shores?? US market for Heavyweight boxing is non existent at the moment. sad fact

They are not making huge money for HWs. Klits TV deal in Germany about 2-3 mill a fight.

If they broke US market, they could be making bigger money added on to German TV money. That is a fact.

This fight is only one that will get attention in US, and if it's in the US, will get good media coverage, and boost whoever the winner is. If it's Wlad, he will finaly start getting recognition the US for his dominace. If it's Haye, he will get a big foot in the US market for future fights.

Or can go ahead, fight in Europe, and be completly ignored in the US.

That simple.

GrantZilla wrote:They won't cater to US if it's in Europe. It'll be on in middle of the afternnon or tape delayed. If it's on Showtime, with only 16 million sbuscribers, it'll be lucky to get million viewers.

But hey, if both fighters want to continue to be irrelvant in US and have US networks not giving fuck about them, that's cool.

That is why little guys like PAc-Man make more then they do.

Pac is the ONLY guy who makes more than they do, so I think they're doing okay. And many fights have started overseas after midnight to cater to US TV- maybe this one wouldn't, but several have. K2 routinely brings in 10 million per fight in revenue. The first Povetkin purse bid with Wlad was won by k2 for 13 million dollars US.

Oscar made more money, so Mayweather. All little guys.

Tyson made over 300 million in his career, Holyfield 200 million. Lennox Lewis made a lot of money because fought in the US.

What Klit make is good, but not kind of money HW Champ of world could be making

Frankly I don't care where they fight as long as they do. This is one of the very few really interesting fights that can get made in any weight class, it'd be great for the sport and I'd love to see it. That said, there's plenty of reason to doubt they actually will fight.

Haye has gone from begging for a shot...., to crashing press conferences making an ass of himself demanding fights......., to backing out of agreements to fight..........., to demanding a ridiculous 50-50 even split...., to turning down 50-50 and proclaiming the fight has to be on his terms.

He will never quit finding ways to prevent the fight from happening. He's a joke and a fraud.

GrantZilla wrote:Oscar made more money, so Mayweather. All little guys.

Tyson made over 300 million in his career, Holyfield 200 million. Lennox Lewis made a lot of money because fought in the US.

What Klit make is good, but not kind of money HW Champ of world could be making

most of them were American. that helps a lot. Lewis was lucky to have big name American's to beat for the exposure. if there was a defining fight for Klitschko or Haye in the US then they could become stars and generate big numbers, but there isn't

the fight should and will go to the place where the most money is generated and that is in england or germany.period.they will sell out the garden i have no doubt about that.nor should they cater to the usa crowd..look a ppv fight here starts what 11.30 at night the big event.thats 4.30 am in europe where there bigger fans are.they star t on time in europe 10pm which is 5 pm est 2pm pacfic time..if fans or hbo showtime dont want to show it live thats there problem.play there movie which costs program wise a lot of money..if we boxing fans think 5 pm is a bad time for us to watch in the usa then fuck us..neither fighter needs our market nor do they need to be known here by the general public..ALL the boxing fans know who they are..there responsibilty primarly lies in catering to there large fan base..its europe..why should they watch a fight that there eager to see and do it at 4.30in the morning..hbo backed down on there word to pay vitali i think a puny 250 000 to broadcast his fight via tape delay..stick that money you know where..
i hope the fight happens and its in europe where it not only belongs because the loyal fans there earned it..they have a very lively fight crowd that would get motivated and excited over this fight..id watch it live on showtime hbo at 5pm if they had the brains to do it live..or bring it to a network live at 5pm theres noo competion.baseball is at night or 1 or 2 in the afternoon.screw these cable companies and there nonsence..do not take the fight out of europe.thats where it belongs in front of 60 000 fans..and there tv audience.they earned it.

they can also show it live here via ppv.soo its 5 pm est on a saturday and noo competion from football or a world series..there are enough boxing fans here that would pay 50 for a live ppv..at least 300 000 of them generating far more money then hbos bullshit tape delay.again the fight belongs in europe cause there fans supported them WE did not..guys stay lol unknown here and make 20 million each or more in europe...