Lee's chances of a decision

**captainanddew** Mon Jun 11, 2012 8:22 pm

Can Andy Lee win a decision on Saturday or does he have to get a KO??

Guest Mon Jun 11, 2012 8:23 pm

Definitely needs a KO or at least a knockdown or two.

**captainanddew** Mon Jun 11, 2012 8:29 pm

that is my opinion as well. I just wanted to see if anyone else saw it differently.

I would think Manny Steward understands that as well as anyone. I'm sure he will push Lee to to go for the KO if he gets Chavez Jr. hurt.

Guest Mon Jun 11, 2012 8:30 pm

captainanddew wrote:that is my opinion as well. I just wanted to see if anyone else saw it differently.

I would think Manny Steward understands that as well as anyone. I'm sure he will push Lee to to go for the KO if he gets Chavez Jr. hurt.

Fingers crossed Lee can do it because I have money on him.

**captainanddew** Mon Jun 11, 2012 8:30 pm

Ali wrote:
captainanddew wrote:that is my opinion as well. I just wanted to see if anyone else saw it differently.

I would think Manny Steward understands that as well as anyone. I'm sure he will push Lee to to go for the KO if he gets Chavez Jr. hurt.

Fingers crossed Lee can do it because I have money on him.

what kind of odds?

I thought you didn't bet on fights. Every time i have tried to goad you into laying money on haye (vs wlad) you ducked me.

Guest Mon Jun 11, 2012 8:33 pm

captainanddew wrote:
Ali wrote:
captainanddew wrote:that is my opinion as well. I just wanted to see if anyone else saw it differently.

I would think Manny Steward understands that as well as anyone. I'm sure he will push Lee to to go for the KO if he gets Chavez Jr. hurt.

Fingers crossed Lee can do it because I have money on him.

what kind of odds?

I thought you didn't bet on fights. Every time i have tried to goad you into laying money on haye (vs wlad) you ducked me.

I can't recall but it's nothing excessive.

Hahaha Yeah I've only started doing it recently to spice up some of the fights that usually wouldn't interest me. I've also put money on Eddie Chambers.

**captainanddew** Mon Jun 11, 2012 8:35 pm

i'm a degenerate. for a while I would bet on anything. I won more than I lost. I had to stop when I found myself dropping money on argentine and chilean soccer.

Guest Mon Jun 11, 2012 8:37 pm

captainanddew wrote:i'm a degenerate. for a while I would bet on anything. I won more than I lost. I had to stop when I found myself dropping money on argentine and chilean soccer.

lol damn that is bad.

I just limit myself to a couple boxing or UFC fights a month.

**captainanddew** Mon Jun 11, 2012 8:39 pm

Ali wrote:
captainanddew wrote:i'm a degenerate. for a while I would bet on anything. I won more than I lost. I had to stop when I found myself dropping money on argentine and chilean soccer.

lol damn that is bad.

I just limit myself to a couple boxing or UFC fights a month.

i never bet large amounts as I'm a wuss. I did drop 50.00 on broner to beat ponce de leon. I figured he would never get screwed as the blue chip prospect. Thankfully I was right

Guest Mon Jun 11, 2012 8:41 pm

captainanddew wrote:
Ali wrote:
captainanddew wrote:i'm a degenerate. for a while I would bet on anything. I won more than I lost. I had to stop when I found myself dropping money on argentine and chilean soccer.

lol damn that is bad.

I just limit myself to a couple boxing or UFC fights a month.

i never bet large amounts as I'm a wuss. I did drop 50.00 on broner to beat ponce de leon. I figured he would never get screwed as the blue chip prospect. Thankfully I was right

Same here £50 would be as high as I went unless I had solid inside info.

**captainanddew** Wed Jun 13, 2012 7:56 pm

Andy Lee
(1:37 PM)

Not really. He's going to be big. They're putting the weigh-in at 1 which is unusual. But I'm also a big middleweight. I'll probably come in at 176-178 and he'll probably be around 180. It's only a couple of pounds. It's nothing to be concerned about. Just have to be ready.

why is the weigh in at 1 pm instead of the normal time which is 4-5 hours later? And how in the heck are these 2 guys middleweights? 176 and 180 are what they will both weigh when the fight starts.....

Diego408 Wed Jun 13, 2012 8:31 pm

I think they're doing the weigh inn early so Chavez jr wouldn't be dehydrated for very long. Also for Chavez weighing in at a Cruiserweight on fight nights, he can't punch worth shit. He's also very slow. We'll see of his size advantage will help him I This one.

jz_hova Wed Jun 13, 2012 9:50 pm

Ali wrote:
captainanddew wrote:that is my opinion as well. I just wanted to see if anyone else saw it differently.

I would think Manny Steward understands that as well as anyone. I'm sure he will push Lee to to go for the KO if he gets Chavez Jr. hurt.

Fingers crossed Lee can do it because I have money on him.

kiss that money goodbye now

The middleweight champ by KO

powerpuncher Wed Jun 13, 2012 10:30 pm

Diego408 wrote:I think they're doing the weigh inn early so Chavez jr wouldn't be dehydrated for very long. Also for Chavez weighing in at a Cruiserweight on fight nights, he can't punch worth shit. He's also very slow. We'll see of his size advantage will help him I This one.

agreed. he is getting bigger and wont at all be able to compete once he goes even higher in weight which will happen very soon. i think that lee wins this one though.

Diego408 Wed Jun 13, 2012 11:20 pm

Lee still only has a slim chance of winning by Desicion if it's close in his favor. He'll have to KO Chavez. I have no faith in any Top rank cards from now on. Arum rigs everything.

**captainanddew** Thu Jun 14, 2012 6:52 am

chavez jr is unnaturally trying to stay at 160 because Bob knows he can't compete at 168.

Guest Thu Jun 14, 2012 10:33 am

captainanddew wrote:chavez jr is unnaturally trying to stay at 160 because Bob knows he can't compete at 168.

Jr will eventually have to move up as he begins to fill out his body more.

**captainanddew** Thu Jun 14, 2012 8:54 pm

Ali wrote:
captainanddew wrote:chavez jr is unnaturally trying to stay at 160 because Bob knows he can't compete at 168.

Jr will eventually have to move up as he begins to fill out his body more.

ali-he shouldn't be at 160 now.

from fat dan's blog article on chavez's weight:

"Last time, it was 16 pounds over at this point," Roach said. so for his last fight he was 176 pounds on wednesday. He apparently didn't eat or drink anything and swam and sweated till he made 160. that isn't healthy.

And honestly he is bigger than many of the super middles. He is going to have waited so long to move up to 168 that when he does he won't be able to make weight more than 2 fights. and if they don't get his ass handed to him there, it will when he is at 175 and fighting similar sized guys.

flapanther2001 Thu Jun 14, 2012 10:54 pm

Lee's chances of getting a decision? Slim & none, and Slim just left town...

Norm1023 Fri Jun 15, 2012 9:38 am

I just said this in another thread: Lee will need a knockdown at the weigh-in today to have a chance at getting a decision in Texas.

**Tobe** Fri Jun 15, 2012 11:25 am

Norm1023 wrote:I just said this in another thread: Lee will need a knockdown at the weigh-in today to have a chance at getting a decision in Texas.

Exactly. This should actually be a good fight, but I don't think for a second Lee gets a fair shake on the cards.

Guest Fri Jun 15, 2012 12:54 pm

Michael Woods
RT @AlBernstein: I think all of u r right--if Lee can get a KO, he has a chance at a draw

Diego408 Fri Jun 15, 2012 5:51 pm

Lee can get a KO if Chavez kills himself making weight. Chavez has had problems with weight his whole career. I remember he started his career at 140 and grew to 160 and looks to be at 168 next. Will probably end his Career at least at 175 if not cruiser weight. I think it has to do with him being lazy to lose the weight over him growing out of weight classes.

**captainanddew** Fri Jun 15, 2012 6:56 pm

Diego408 wrote:Lee can get a KO if Chavez kills himself making weight. Chavez has had problems with weight his whole career. I remember he started his career at 140 and grew to 160 and looks to be at 168 next. Will probably end his Career at least at 175 if not cruiser weight. I think it has to do with him being lazy to lose the weight over him growing out of weight classes.

I don't think lazy has that much to do with it. A guy that is going up to 180 every fight shouldn't be in the weight class.

jz_hova Sat Jun 16, 2012 8:37 pm

Chavez jr wins big tonight

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