Did Manny-Shane change your mind on the winner of Manny-FMJ?

Has your opinion on who would win between Manny and FMJ changed at all?

Even in survival mode an old Shane was able to make Manny miss countless times and frustrate him, Floyd has the ability to counter him to death.

i always thought that mayweather would win

Ali wrote:Even in survival mode an old Shane was able to make Manny miss countless times and frustrate him, Floyd has the ability to counter him to death.

Floyd also got tagged rocked badly by Mosley. He isn't the same fighter he was years ago either.

captainanddew wrote:

Ali wrote:Even in survival mode an old Shane was able to make Manny miss countless times and frustrate him, Floyd has the ability to counter him to death.

Floyd also got tagged rocked badly by Mosley. He isn't the same fighter he was years ago either.

I favored Floyd in the past and I still do.

But I have no idea what version of Floyd or manny we get when the fight occurs. Floyd hasn't fought in a year. By the time they did fight it could easily be 2 years. he looked vulnerable against Mosley in that his legs didn't have the same spring they once did. who knows what father time does to him. Reflexes and speed go when they go.
And Manny: Manny looked off on Saturday. he lunged. He didn't use the right hand properly. He said his leg cramped in the 4th round.

I have a feeling we won't get the fight until both guys aren't as good as they were.

captainanddew wrote:

Ali wrote:Even in survival mode an old Shane was able to make Manny miss countless times and frustrate him, Floyd has the ability to counter him to death.

Floyd also got tagged rocked badly by Mosley. He isn't the same fighter he was years ago either.

That is the reason I would pick the faster harder hitting fighter in that matchup. Pac would KO Floyd.

I'll say it's a push. There are a few huge variables that I could see go either way. The biggest is if Manny is fast enough to lead and land against Floyd, which I'm not sure about.

not at all
floyd is going to school pacquiao if the fight, but he needs to stop playing games and sign

The More I watch Pacquaio fight at the higher weights, the more flaws he shows. I'll be surprised if Manny could win any rounds against Floyd at this point.

I'll do my full breakdown of what I learned and how I think it translates to a potential Pac v. Floyd match.

Here are Pacquiao's advantages: speed, power, stamina, tenacity and activity. That's tough to beat.

Pac is officially faster than Floyd in my eyes now. Before I had that Floyd could get a single punch off faster, but Pac's combos were faster. Now I don't think see it as close.

Shane fought a defensive fight and Pac still could land before Shane could set his defense. Yes, Shane's old and shot, but that's crazy. On top of that Shane was afraid to throw because Pac was fast enough to slip and punch and counter with power shots before Shane could reset. That's just something no one else in the sport could do.

The difference with Floyd is that he knows how to fight defensively. He uses much better spacing and movement to keep opponents at a range where they can't land. Pac might be lulled into swinging at air or fighting a slow fight. However, Pac closes obscenely fast and might even be fast enough to counter Floyd when he tries to lead. When Pac is in his punching window, he'll hit Floyd. He throws too many punches, at too many angles, too fast. He kept throwing these big looping punches that were too fast for Shane to stop.

I've thought for a while that Floyd's best strategy would be to make it an ugly fight and put on an Andre Ward type performance. Get in close, throw uppercuts, dig to the body and wrap Pac up when he starts throwing.

like i keep saying, even though people are saying that mayweather looked a little slow against mosley, that version would still easily beat pac. mayweather is one of the best adjusters that ive ever seen. if something isnt going right for him in the fight, he just fixes it and wins the rest of the rounds. pac is way too easy to counter. thats what floyd does best. fighters change their tactics once they realize that every time they come in they get hit.

Gumby wrote:I'll do my full breakdown of what I learned and how I think it translates to a potential Pac v. Floyd match.

Here are Pacquiao's advantages: speed, power, stamina, tenacity and activity. That's tough to beat.

Pac is officially faster than Floyd in my eyes now. Before I had that Floyd could get a single punch off faster, but Pac's combos were faster. Now I don't think see it as close.

Shane fought a defensive fight and Pac still could land before Shane could set his defense. Yes, Shane's old and shot, but that's crazy. On top of that Shane was afraid to throw because Pac was fast enough to slip and punch and counter with power shots before Shane could reset. That's just something no one else in the sport could do.

The difference with Floyd is that he knows how to fight defensively. He uses much better spacing and movement to keep opponents at a range where they can't land. Pac might be lulled into swinging at air or fighting a slow fight. However, Pac closes obscenely fast and might even be fast enough to counter Floyd when he tries to lead. When Pac is in his punching window, he'll hit Floyd. He throws too many punches, at too many angles, too fast. He kept throwing these big looping punches that were too fast for Shane to stop.

I've thought for a while that Floyd's best strategy would be to make it an ugly fight and put on an Andre Ward type performance. Get in close, throw uppercuts, dig to the body and wrap Pac up when he starts throwing.

of course thats what mayweather will do. it will frustrate manny and then thats when floyd will start landing at will and take over the fight.

Ali wrote:Even in survival mode an old Shane was able to make Manny miss countless times and frustrate him, Floyd has the ability to counter him to death.

This is what I thought watching the fight.

freakzilla wrote:

Ali wrote:Even in survival mode an old Shane was able to make Manny miss countless times and frustrate him, Floyd has the ability to counter him to death.

This is what I thought watching the fight.

That will happen to any fighter against someone who is just surviving and not putting out any real offense. IF all you're doing is surviving, of course your going to put everything into making them miss, and you know survive, not win the fight.

Why I say this fight showed nothing on how a match-up with Floyd would look. Unless you expect Floyd to do nothing but survive and make Pac miss, and not even try to actualy win the fight.

freakzilla wrote:

Ali wrote:Even in survival mode an old Shane was able to make Manny miss countless times and frustrate him, Floyd has the ability to counter him to death.

This is what I thought watching the fight.

I saw it as the opposite. Even though Shane was solely concentrating on defense and staying away, Manny was able to land fairly consistently by recklessly lunging because of how fast he is.

As much as I hate to say it I still think Floyd beats Manny.

I don't think it would be easy for Floyd, but he knows when to play defense and when to throw. Floyd is a master at timing his opponent's rhythm. Once Floyd figures that out he'd beat Manny to the punch all night.