Ring Magazine 168lb rankings

i can see that Numbers 1-3 are spot on but then after that it becomes a bit of a mystery to me how it's been worked out.
4. Mikkel Kessler (currently retired)
5. Andre Dirrell (pmt problems)
6. Sakio Bika (2 fight losing streak)
7. Robert Stieglitz (who?)
8. Librado Andrade (beaten who?? current 1-2 in last 3 outings)
9. Glen Johnson (should be higher)
10. Arthur Abraham (hard to find a case for Abraham to be anywhere else at this point in fairness although he should be ahead of 2/3 in front of him)


Anybody else got a problem with these?

dbudge wrote:i can see that Numbers 1-3 are spot on but then after that it becomes a bit of a mystery to me how it's been worked out.
4. Mikkel Kessler (currently retired)
5. Andre Dirrell (pmt problems)
6. Sakio Bika (2 fight losing streak)
7. Robert Stieglitz (who?)
8. Librado Andrade (beaten who?? current 1-2 in last 3 outings)
9. Glen Johnson (should be higher)
10. Arthur Abraham (hard to find a case for Abraham to be anywhere else at this point in fairness although he should be ahead of 2/3 in front of him)


Anybody else got a problem with these?

Looks like you got it covered.

YEP YOU GOT IT COVERED AS HARDCORE SAID..

i thought that Ring Rankings were the only ones that mattered though??? maybe we should come up with our own Palace Ranking system for fighters???

Kessler isn't officially retired.

Stieglitz is the WBO trinket holder.

Bika's only legit loses are too Bute, Ward and Calzaghe, the Mendy loss was a DQ because Sakio hit him while he was down.

Andrade has beaten Eric Lucas, Vitali Tyspko, Robert Stieglitz and Yusaf Mack.

GBP needs to make Andrade vs Bika in Canada

Rankings are subjective, so just because you disagree with them, doesn't mean they are crap. Tell me a ranking that everyone will completly agree on?
Crap rankings are joke ABC belts

Here's Fat Dan's Super Middle Rankings

1. Andre Ward
2. Lucian Bute
3. Carl Froch
4. Mikkel Kessler
5. Andre Dirrell
6. Glen Johnson
7. Librado Andrade
8. Robert Stieglitz
9. Sakio Bika
10. Dimitri Sartison

Boxrec's Computer rankings. Now this is a joke

1 Lucian Bute
2 Andre Dirrell
3 Carl Froch
4 Andre Ward
5 Mikkel Kessler
6 Kelly Pavlik
7 Robert Stieglitz
8 Glen Johnson
9 Dimitri Sartison
10 Arthur Abraham

Pavlik hasn't even fought in the division.

I know huh. Anyone know formula Boxrec Compu rankings use? Because it sucks.

paviks 1-1 in that divison more or less..bo hop and taylor..bo hop may of been 170 i forget but thats close enought..he dont deserve rankings there.

grant somewhere in there site they list the formula...its a joke.it seemed like 90 different variables...

dmar5143 wrote:grant somewhere in there site they list the formula...its a joke.it seemed like 90 different variables...

I love boxrec because you can easily find a guy's record. It is useless for ratings (unless you want to see if someone has fought a single opponent of note; when you look at a prospect and only 1 or 2 opponents have a winning record and that guy is currently 300 out of 700 in a division, you can deduct the prospect doesn't have a single decent win).

dmar5143 wrote:paviks 1-1 in that divison more or less..bo hop and taylor..bo hop may of been 170 i forget but thats close enought..he dont deserve rankings there.

You can't really count either as a Super Middleweight fight, the Hopkins catchweight was over the limit and the Taylor rematch was a contractual catchweight.

dbudge wrote:i can see that Numbers 1-3 are spot on but then after that it becomes a bit of a mystery to me how it's been worked out.
4. Mikkel Kessler (currently retired)
5. Andre Dirrell (pmt problems)
6. Sakio Bika (2 fight losing streak)
7. Robert Stieglitz (who?)
8. Librado Andrade (beaten who?? current 1-2 in last 3 outings)
9. Glen Johnson (should be higher)
10. Arthur Abraham (hard to find a case for Abraham to be anywhere else at this point in fairness although he should be ahead of 2/3 in front of him)


Anybody else got a problem with these?

I don't think there is that many guys outside the top 10 that i would favor over any of the guys in the top 10.

I have no problem with those rankings. Tell us who you would rate instead. The ring rankings are the only legit rankings we have.

BTW- how can you not rate Bika in the top 10? He lost to the two best supermiddleweights in the world. Are we now going to discourage top ranked fighters from fighting one another by dropping the loser out of ratings? Does the loser of Bradley/Alexander drop out of the top 5 at 140?

Canvas wrote:I have no problem with those rankings. Tell us who you would rate instead. The ring rankings are the only legit rankings we have.

BTW- how can you not rate Bika in the top 10? He lost to the two best supermiddleweights in the world. Are we now going to discourage top ranked fighters from fighting one another by dropping the loser out of ratings? Does the loser of Bradley/Alexander drop out of the top 5 at 140?

i'm not saying that at all Canvas, get off your sopa box. i just think that the order the guys have been put in is wrong. Bika shouldn't be that high, yeh he has fought good opposition but he always loses! Andrade hasn't really beaten anyone, his finest moment came in a controversial 12th round vs Bute. Kessler has been inactive since April with no view for a return soon and so the other guys should get his spot. Stieglitz shouldn't be higher than Johnson or Abraham IMO and Dirrell should be lower as he has also been inactive since March and ducked Ward no doubt about it