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Nacho praises Floyd, compares him to Michael Jordan
"I have seen so much (in boxing)" the 72 year old Beristain said. "I've trained so many world champions. In the Olympics, I've had two gold medal winners and two who won bronze medals. Many people do not know this but once I was asked to train the great Mike Tyson.
"It could not work out because of my (lack of) English," Beristain said. "My point is that, looking at this Mayweather, I would say that he is the fastest fighter in the whole, entire history of boxing.
"He is so (good) defensively in a fight, that he is like no person I have ever seen before. I would have to compare his status in boxing to that of Michael Jordan in basketball when it comes to speed, to athletic ability and to agility."
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Re: Nacho praises Floyd, compares him to Michael Jordan
[quote="Ali"]
Back the hyperbole truck up there a second. ONE OF the fastest ever maybe, like Top 5 or 10, but I can't seem him at the top over Ali, Ray Leonard, Medric Taylor, Benny Leonard, Sweet Pea, etc. Even Roy Jones and Joe C. have to be up there with him.
" I would say that he is the fastest fighter in the whole, entire history of boxing.
Back the hyperbole truck up there a second. ONE OF the fastest ever maybe, like Top 5 or 10, but I can't seem him at the top over Ali, Ray Leonard, Medric Taylor, Benny Leonard, Sweet Pea, etc. Even Roy Jones and Joe C. have to be up there with him.
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i agree with tobe. saying he is the fastest ever is way over the top but he is very quick and very good defensively but not the best in either category by far.
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Floyd is not the fastest fighter ever, but he's definitely in the top 5-10. Fighters like Judah, RJJ, SRL, and Meldrick Taylor definitely had more attacking/offensive speed than Floyd.
But Floyd is probably the fastest counter-puncher/defensive speed fighter I've ever seen. His reactions to what you're doing are second to none....
But Floyd is probably the fastest counter-puncher/defensive speed fighter I've ever seen. His reactions to what you're doing are second to none....
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fast how? Feet or hands? Hell Pac has damn fast hands.hillsicc303 wrote:Floyd is not the fastest fighter ever, but he's definitely in the top 5-10. Fighters like Judah, RJJ, SRL, and Meldrick Taylor definitely had more attacking/offensive speed than Floyd.
But Floyd is probably the fastest counter-puncher/defensive speed fighter I've ever seen. His reactions to what you're doing are second to none....
Re: Nacho praises Floyd, compares him to Michael Jordan
Khan got faster hands. He actualy throws rapid-fire combos. Floyd just throws pot shots, one punch at a time.
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I still cant believe HBO crew compared Berto to Meldrick Taylor
gomez1012- Posts : 7452
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gomez1012 wrote:I still cant believe HBO crew compared Berto to Meldrick Taylor
The Hayman slipped them all 20s if they did
GrantZilla- Posts : 9310
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fast how? Feet or hands? Hell Pac has damn fast hands.
Hands... come on man.
Floyd is the fastest counter-puncher I've ever seen. Guys come at him throwing punches, and then they don't know what hit them. Floyd is not an offensive fighter, so we rarely see his speed when he's leading. But he's still fast leading, he's just not as comfortable doing so.
Like I said, there are other guys who are offensively faster than him, I'd put Manny in that catagory too....
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hillsicc303 wrote:
Hands... come on man.
Floyd is the fastest counter-puncher I've ever seen. Guys come at him throwing punches, and then they don't know what hit them. Floyd is not an offensive fighter, so we rarely see his speed when he's leading. But he's still fast leading, he's just not as comfortable doing so.
Like I said, there are other guys who are offensively faster than him, I'd put Manny in that catagory too....
I havent seen that Floyd since the Corrales fight...
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This guy is fucking nuts.Ali wrote:"I have seen so much (in boxing)" the 72 year old Beristain said. "I've trained so many world champions. In the Olympics, I've had two gold medal winners and two who won bronze medals. Many people do not know this but once I was asked to train the great Mike Tyson.
"It could not work out because of my (lack of) English," Beristain said. "My point is that, looking at this Mayweather, I would say that he is the fastest fighter in the whole, entire history of boxing.
"He is so (good) defensively in a fight, that he is like no person I have ever seen before. I would have to compare his status in boxing to that of Michael Jordan in basketball when it comes to speed, to athletic ability and to agility."
http://www.boxingscene.com/marquezs-trainer-awe-floyd-mayweathers-speed--43540
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gomez1012 wrote:hillsicc303 wrote:
Hands... come on man.
Floyd is the fastest counter-puncher I've ever seen. Guys come at him throwing punches, and then they don't know what hit them. Floyd is not an offensive fighter, so we rarely see his speed when he's leading. But he's still fast leading, he's just not as comfortable doing so.
Like I said, there are other guys who are offensively faster than him, I'd put Manny in that catagory too....
I havent seen that Floyd since the Corrales fight...
dayum that's gonna leave a mark
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dayum that's gonna leave a mark
Too bad he's been effectively countering his way to victory since the Corrales fight, 16 times I think. Ask your boy Oscar(Fish Net Freddy) how effective his counter-punching is...
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hillsicc303 wrote:
Too bad he's been effectively countering his way to victory since the Corrales fight, 16 times I think. Ask your boy Oscar(Fish Net Freddy) how effective his counter-punching is...
Hatton, DLH, Marquez, Shane he had his struggles with, but speed at a different level like Jordan in his prime, no way
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i agree. comparing him to jordan is dumb. you compare SRR or ali to jordan, not mayweather. i think that mayweather has great speed, defense, counter punching, and ring smarts, but he just isnt the best at any of them. all of those tools though make you a great fighter especially with his work ethic. but lets be honest, he is no michael jordan of boxing. i think that thats a disgrace to many other great fighters of the past who have excelled mayweathers career easily.gomez1012 wrote:hillsicc303 wrote:
Too bad he's been effectively countering his way to victory since the Corrales fight, 16 times I think. Ask your boy Oscar(Fish Net Freddy) how effective his counter-punching is...
Hatton, DLH, Marquez, Shane he had his struggles with, but speed at a different level like Jordan in his prime, no way
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I think the degree to which people hate Floyd has really tainted their opinion of him as a fighter. In terms of demonstrated boxing ability (not accomplishments) he's among the best ever. Regardless of what he does or doesn't do in the future. For a respected trainer to come out and give him that level of praise is significant.
I think he's among the fastest fighters ever. His athleticism allows him to move his feet and hands quickly but more importantly his reaction times are off the charts. His reflexes are on par with anyone.
Saying that the best fighter of this generation (it's him or Pac) might be the best fighter ever isn't sacrilege.
I think he's among the fastest fighters ever. His athleticism allows him to move his feet and hands quickly but more importantly his reaction times are off the charts. His reflexes are on par with anyone.
Saying that the best fighter of this generation (it's him or Pac) might be the best fighter ever isn't sacrilege.
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I wonder who are the two fighters he trained that became gold medalists?
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Re: Nacho praises Floyd, compares him to Michael Jordan
i would say that if anybody said that pac or mayweather was the best fighter ever, they obviously dont know many ATGs.Gumby wrote:I think the degree to which people hate Floyd has really tainted their opinion of him as a fighter. In terms of demonstrated boxing ability (not accomplishments) he's among the best ever. Regardless of what he does or doesn't do in the future. For a respected trainer to come out and give him that level of praise is significant.
I think he's among the fastest fighters ever. His athleticism allows him to move his feet and hands quickly but more importantly his reaction times are off the charts. His reflexes are on par with anyone.
Saying that the best fighter of this generation (it's him or Pac) might be the best fighter ever isn't sacrilege.
i know that floyd is very very talented and that many people's views on him personally make them think that he is an inferior fighter than he actually is, but that still doesnt make him the fastest fighter ever. ray leonard was definitely faster and hit harder. thats just one example of quite a few fighters. defensively, i think that he is pretty high up there just below the likes of pep, sweat pea, and nicolli (or however you spell his name) but he is definitely a defensive great.
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This welterweight class is pretty sorry when you compare it to even the 90s division
Mayweather/Pac dont survive against those fighters
Mayweather/Pac dont survive against those fighters
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powerpuncher wrote:i know that floyd is very very talented and that many people's views on him personally make them think that he is an inferior fighter than he actually is, but that still doesnt make him the fastest fighter ever. ray leonard was definitely faster and hit harder. thats just one example of quite a few fighters. defensively, i think that he is pretty high up there just below the likes of pep, sweat pea, and nicolli (or however you spell his name) but he is definitely a defensive great.
I don't have Floyd or Pac as my #1 on anything but I get peopled who'd make the argument based on them being the best right now (if they think the sport and athletes keep getting better). It's hard to say someone is definitely faster or hits harder without some sort of testing. I just think if a guy as respected as Nacho comes out and says that it carries some weight because he probably knows a whole lot more than anyone on this board. And it definitely beats Atlas saying that everyone is shit.
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Soonermark890 wrote:fast how? Feet or hands? Hell Pac has damn fast hands.hillsicc303 wrote:Floyd is not the fastest fighter ever, but he's definitely in the top 5-10. Fighters like Judah, RJJ, SRL, and Meldrick Taylor definitely had more attacking/offensive speed than Floyd.
But Floyd is probably the fastest counter-puncher/defensive speed fighter I've ever seen. His reactions to what you're doing are second to none....
floyd's hands are a lot faster than pacs, mannys look quicker than they are because he throws so many combinations. pac has him beat in the power department, but in terms of reflexes and hand speed, its floyd. his counters are lightning fast, i would even say khan is faster than pac. mannys hand speed is overrated because of how his fighting style can trick you into thinking hes throwing faster than he is. still very fast, but floyds got top 5 atg hand speed, mannys a little further down the list
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I thinking Khan has the fastest hands behind Gamboa and Russell in boxing.BoxingGenius wrote:Soonermark890 wrote:fast how? Feet or hands? Hell Pac has damn fast hands.hillsicc303 wrote:Floyd is not the fastest fighter ever, but he's definitely in the top 5-10. Fighters like Judah, RJJ, SRL, and Meldrick Taylor definitely had more attacking/offensive speed than Floyd.
But Floyd is probably the fastest counter-puncher/defensive speed fighter I've ever seen. His reactions to what you're doing are second to none....
floyd's hands are a lot faster than pacs, mannys look quicker than they are because he throws so many combinations. pac has him beat in the power department, but in terms of reflexes and hand speed, its floyd. his counters are lightning fast, i would even say khan is faster than pac. mannys hand speed is overrated because of how his fighting style can trick you into thinking hes throwing faster than he is. still very fast, but floyds got top 5 atg hand speed, mannys a little further down the list
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I don't think Floyd's are near as fast as pac's.BoxingGenius wrote:Soonermark890 wrote:fast how? Feet or hands? Hell Pac has damn fast hands.hillsicc303 wrote:Floyd is not the fastest fighter ever, but he's definitely in the top 5-10. Fighters like Judah, RJJ, SRL, and Meldrick Taylor definitely had more attacking/offensive speed than Floyd.
But Floyd is probably the fastest counter-puncher/defensive speed fighter I've ever seen. His reactions to what you're doing are second to none....
floyd's hands are a lot faster than pacs, mannys look quicker than they are because he throws so many combinations. pac has him beat in the power department, but in terms of reflexes and hand speed, its floyd. his counters are lightning fast, i would even say khan is faster than pac. mannys hand speed is overrated because of how his fighting style can trick you into thinking hes throwing faster than he is. still very fast, but floyds got top 5 atg hand speed, mannys a little further down the list
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