The Boxing Palace's Greatest Ever Musician Tournament (1.06)

The Boxing Palace's Greatest Ever Musician Tournament-

Round 1-

01. Michael Jackson vs Elvis Presley vs Lionel Richie vs Stevie Wonder
02. U2 vs Bee Gees vs The Beatles vs David Bowie
03. Led Zeppelin vs The Doors vs The Eagles vs Deep Purple
04. Metallica vs AC/DC vs Kiss vs Guns N' Roses
05. Queen vs Black Sabbath vs Prince vs Ice Cube
06. Frank Sinatra vs Eric Clapton vs Bob Dylan vs Tom Petty
07. Johnny Cash vs Pink Floyd vs Oasis vs Van Halen
08. The Rolling Stones vs Pearl Jam vs Everclear vs Sting
09. Audioslave vs Stone Temple Pilots vs The Foo Fighters vs Matchbox Twenty
10. Sound Garden vs Alice in Chains vs Pearl Jam vs Nirvana
11. Red Hot Chili Peppers vs Bob Marley vs Jimmy Hendrix vs Bruce Springsteen
12. Bryan Adams vs Bon Jovi vs Aerosmith vs Peter Cetera
13. Kings of Leon vs The Who vs Alice Cooper vs Rage Against The Machine
14. NWA vs DMX vs Run-DMC vs Public Enemy
15. Tupac vs Biggie vs Dr Dre vs Jay-Z
16. Marvin Gaye vs Wu Tang Clan vs Steve Miller Band vs Rush

Round 1-

Frank Sinatra vs Eric Clapton vs Bob Dylan vs Tom Petty

Please just vote for your favorite Musician out of these 4 thanks.

This is a damn tough round. I love Tom Petty but I dont think he has a shot against the other three. Clapton is my pick this round.

sinatra does not belong in there at all.he cant win is reason number 1.the other reason is hes so far better and greater then thoses guys its pathetic.
why is he head over heals greater.well first you got to understand interpetation of song.delivery.telling a story.creating a mood.phrasing.diction.singing from lifes experiences .and vocal instrument breath control.etc etc etc.theres the swing sinatra which most people know yes.then theres the young sinatra.he wasnt called the voice for nothing.

dmar5143 wrote:sinatra does not belong in there at all.he cant win is reason number 1.the other reason is hes so far better and greater then thoses guys its pathetic.
why is he head over heals greater.well first you got to understand interpetation of song.delivery.telling a story.creating a mood.phrasing.diction.singing from lifes experiences .and vocal instrument breath control.etc etc etc.theres the swing sinatra which most people know yes.then theres the young sinatra.he wasnt called the voice for nothing.

Personally I like Clapton more but I cant see Sinatra not getting a lot of votes.

there are singers.there are artists that are popluar dispite there lack of talent.there are good singers then there are a select few that are master singers.lanza distefano and sinatra my 3 favorites in that order are amoung the few elite master singers..lol distefano who.this is a poll for the under 30 crowd.not a realistic all time great poll..frank will lose in this one.if mike jackson quincy jones tony bennet count basie liza minelli and yes elvis could vote they would choze the best pop singer ever is sinatra.unanimously.

Soonermark890 wrote:This is a damn tough round. I love Tom Petty but I dont think he has a shot against the other three. Clapton is my pick this round.

I went Clapton as well.

I love Petty as well, but I had to vote for Sinatra.

Clapton and Sinatra over Bob Dylan? Clapton I get but what songs did Sinatra write and what instruments did he play? What did he produce or arrange? Is this a musician poll or popularity contest? BTW I love Tom Petty but he ripped off Dylan so to put them in the same category is silly, without Dylan there is no Petty.

then take frank out of the category..franks a singer..the best pop singer ever.hey he acted also and produced movies owned a successfull recording company and had a career on top for almost 60 years including his own tv show .stareed in great night clubs made vegas an attraction whenever he appeared broke bread with presidents..yep take him out of that category..thoses guys are flash in the pans compared to frank.

hardcore sinatra did write a few songs..amoung them were the popular mr success and im a fool to want you.

dmar5143 wrote:then take frank out of the category..franks a singer..the best pop singer ever.hey he acted also and produced movies owned a successfull recording company and had a career on top for almost 60 years including his own tv show .stareed in great night clubs made vegas an attraction whenever he appeared broke bread with presidents..yep take him out of that category..thoses guys are flash in the pans compared to frank.

LMFAO Bob Dylan a flash in the pan compared to Frank Sinatra? Let's not get started on that. Reprise records was a success and Frank was no doubt successful and a truly golden voice, I have everything from his work with the Three Flashes to his Duets album. The Chairman of the Board however was not the songwriter Dylan is, the guitar player Clapton is or the story teller that Petty is. He is a great voice, a timeless voice with an unbelievable legacy and personality. His turn in From here to Eternity wasn't too bad either. He's just not the musician that the others are and that's what the poll is here. If we had a poll for best singers and pop culture icons he beats these guys, but as a p4p musician all three are better in that category.

dmar5143 wrote:hardcore sinatra did write a few songs..amoung them were the popular mr success and im a fool to want you.

With Jack Wolf and Hank Sanicola. This is common for singers later in their career to grab a writing credit or a co-credit.

i see .its a muscian thing.well franks not in that category i agree.let me review whos in...before i do that .. you have bands correct..its for the 30 and under crowd.read my first post on this topic..wheres any of the great big bands who were magic.or a small group like count bassi.or how about buddy rich then one of the greatest drummers ever who also had a band.or louie prima one of the greats in trumpet and had a group that could smoke in high energy without the BS flashing lights fireworks and countess other gimics.this is a era only thing.different styles different music different greatness..read my idea of greatness which the real test is maybe equaled but never greater...muscian and entertainer wheres liberace.now ill go check this list.

hardcorebee24 wrote:

dmar5143 wrote:hardcore sinatra did write a few songs..amoung them were the popular mr success and im a fool to want you.

With Jack Wolf and Hank Sanicola. This is common for singers later in their career to grab a writing credit or a co-credit.

...nope sinatra on thoses songs did not pull a al jolson who took credit for every dam song he recorded so to speak.frank added lyrics etc etc in reality.

dmar5143 wrote:i see .its a muscian thing.well franks not in that category i agree.let me review whos in...before i do that .. you have bands correct..its for the 30 and under crowd.read my first post on this topic..wheres any of the great big bands who were magic.or a small group like count bassi.or how about buddy rich then one of the greatest drummers ever who also had a band.or louie prima one of the greats in trumpet and had a group that could smoke in high energy without the BS flashing lights fireworks and countess other gimics.this is a era only thing.different styles different music different greatness..read my idea of greatness which the real test is maybe equaled but never greater...muscian and entertainer wheres liberace.now ill go check this list.

Where are Bob Dylan, Tom Petty and Eric Clapton's flashing lights and gimics? The fact that I'm only thirty and arguing that Dylan blows anyone in this list out the water is unusual for someone my age. Most Dylan fans are collecting social security already and are within five years of your age.

Show me the gimic:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YwSZvHqf9qM&feature=related

hardcore im talking with several groups ive seen live on tv..rush the stones ozzie etc etc..again muscians wheres toscanni.the greatest conductor of them all who played several instruments to perfection.a unequaled genuis..yep this is a popularity contest.period..its impossible to name whos best due to several several different music genres..the best in a certain category or sub category maybe its possible.like rock n roll from 1950-1960 1960-70 there was a big change over the original rock.from 80-90 etc etc.see what i mean...this is not a list of the greatest of all time.it dont come close at all.again if rock n roll changed over a time frame of a little more then a decade to the point today its called rock n roll and it doesnt resemble it at all..but jazz does thewout the decades..again greatest muscians where toscanni..see what i mean..if big noise represents music lol.well...

im not a fan of dylan.his singing is grating and awfull.im a fan of the songs he wrote yes but im also a fan of cole porter who also wrote a few songs.im sure you have heard of him..

dmar5143 wrote:hardcore im talking with several groups ive seen live on tv..rush the stones ozzie etc etc..again muscians wheres toscanni.the greatest conductor of them all who played several instruments to perfection.a unequaled genuis..yep this is a popularity contest.period..its impossible to name whos best due to several several different music genres..the best in a certain category or sub category maybe its possible.like rock n roll from 1950-1960 1960-70 there was a big change over the original rock.from 80-90 etc etc.see what i mean...this is not a list of the greatest of all time.it dont come close at all.again if rock n roll changed over a time frame of a little more then a decade to the point today its called rock n roll and it doesnt resemble it at all..but jazz does thewout the decades..again greatest muscians where toscanni..see what i mean..if big noise represents music lol.well...

The contest is between those named in it. Sinatra and Dylan were named in the contest so that's who we are to work with. I could sit here and argue that anyone from Tchaikovsky to Muddy Waters to Billie Holliday to Jeff Beck are better musicians than those named in the contest but they're not named so I'm working with what we have, and what we have is folks saying that Frank Sinatra is a better musician than Bob Dylan, I disagree so I'm going to make my case as to why. I also believe that we're comparing the Pop/Rock genres of the mid to late 20th century. Toscanini and Tchaikovsky don't really fit in here.

dmar5143 wrote:im not a fan of dylan.his singing is grating and awfull.im a fan of the songs he wrote yes but im also a fan of cole porter who also wrote a few songs.im sure you have heard of him..

Sure have, big band stuff and show tunes, Cole Porter broadway soundtracks I associate with my mother cleaning the house when I was a kid. Probably my mothers absolute favorite (my mom is a huge theater buff).

She's also a Beatles fanatic.

im glad you see my point to a certain degree.in actuality its a period mostly of the last 30 years represented here more or less and again ..and sub categories even at that there are people not listed that are better or at least as good...i see your point also about the word muscian meaning playing a instrument and the names you have to work with here.artistry is something not mentioned at all...but lets not think this list represents the greatest of all time.it doesnt...if you want to choze and say theses are the best from just this list.ok..but best of what.its hard to caterigize what or where they belong in the first place...outside of groups where the beatles fall into.at least i feel they belong in that category.

you moms got good taste.im a fan of both also.

dmar5143 wrote:im glad you see my point to a certain degree.in actuality its a period mostly of the last 30 years represented here more or less and again ..and sub categories even at that there are people not listed that are better or at least as good...i see your point also about the word muscian meaning playing a instrument and the names you have to work with here.artistry is something not mentioned at all...but lets not think this list represents the greatest of all time.it doesnt...if you want to choze and say theses are the best from just this list.ok..but best of what.its hard to caterigize what or where they belong in the first place...outside of groups where the beatles fall into.at least i feel they belong in that category.

Sure, the Beatles, The Beach Boys, Phil Spector etc. Dmar this list is really the fifty years or so. The Beatles came here in 1964!!! I hope I didn't make you feel old. LOL

Great debating with you on a different topic.

Not a Clapton fan. He's been mailing it in for the last twenty years.

Voting closed.