Larry Holmes says he'd be Champ for 15 years against todays HWs

JENNA: Larry do you follow boxing as much today as you used to?

HOLMES: No I don’t do it because these guys are starting to recycle fighters like Pacquiao and Mosley and Mayweather and whatever. Those are the names that people recognize that could be making good money, but they’re talking crazy. Like I understand that Mayweather is trying to talk to the man who built the Dallas football stadium and how he wants $100 million for a fight with Pacquiao. Pacquiao wants $100 million if he gets past Mosley. Mosley wants $100 million and these guys are just talking right out of their hat. They’re not really talking seriously because if they were they’d have to be more reasonable on how much money they should get and how much money it’s worth. To me those fights with Pacquiao and Mayweather are not worth $100 million!

JENNA: Do you at all wish you fought in today’s era? With all of the money going around in boxing, that you would be around for these kinds of paydays that the fighters are requesting?

HOLMES: I would have loved to have been around here for these type fighters, but these guys are really not fighting anybody, they’re not really dedicating themselves, and they’re not disciplined. So I think I would have had a cakewalk. I reigned as heavyweight champion for seven and a half years. Today if I was heavyweight champion of the world I think I’d reign for more than 7 years, I’d probably reign for 10-15 years! But these guys are not dedicated.

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Holmes might have his hands full with some of the taller fighters but I think he beats all of these guys.

And he still wouldnt draw.

SlickMoney wrote:And he still wouldnt draw.

Now you've done it!

larry was a great fighter but has no room to talk.defenses against scott lediox scot frank marvis frazier leon spinks tex cobb fat boy jones zanon evangislita ossio oscaaio and thats just of the top of my head..2 guys beat him in only there15th and 16 th fight.williams and weatherspoon.he avoided a rematch with norton avoided light hitting jimmy young.no fights with frazier foreman quarry and lyle the real 6 contenders..he may fool a few reporters and fans but im not buying his talk...there are problems big ones in boxing yes..the HWS suck yes.the guys i mentioned that larry fought were as bad and most of then worst then the HWS today.

dmar5143 wrote:larry was a great fighter but has no room to talk.defenses against scott lediox scot frank marvis frazier leon spinks tex cobb fat boy jones zanon evangislita ossio oscaaio and thats just of the top of my head..2 guys beat him in only there15th and 16 th fight.williams and weatherspoon.he avoided a rematch with norton avoided light hitting jimmy young.no fights with frazier foreman quarry and lyle the real 6 contenders..he may fool a few reporters and fans but im not buying his talk...there are problems big ones in boxing yes..the HWS suck yes.the guys i mentioned that larry fought were as bad and most of then worst then the HWS today.

And yet he would still dominate in this era, no?

he should dominate this era no doubt.especialy if he avoided the 2 K brothers lennox lewis for example like he did in his hayday with the guys i mentioned..adamek peter briggs sanders johnson byrd and others like the fat boys of today larry would beat with ease.i think he beats vitali with ease.the issue i feel is larry did not lead by example when he fought as champ and he has a habit of downgrading fighters at there expense to toot his own horn..

dmar5143 wrote:he should dominate this era no doubt.especialy if he avoided the 2 K brothers lennox lewis for example like he did in his hayday with the guys i mentioned..adamek peter briggs sanders johnson byrd and others like the fat boys of today larry would beat with ease.i think he beats vitali with ease.the issue i feel is larry did not lead by example when he fought as champ and he has a habit of downgrading fighters at there expense to toot his own horn..

I'm not addressing any so called ducking issues considering this is another hypothetical subject. If you put Holmes in the ring with Lennox, it would be a jab fest, kinda boring, with both waiting for the perfect opportunity to land a right hand. Holmes vs the Brothers K is a well earned UD for Holmes. In my opinion.

flapanther2001 wrote:

dmar5143 wrote:he should dominate this era no doubt.especialy if he avoided the 2 K brothers lennox lewis for example like he did in his hayday with the guys i mentioned..adamek peter briggs sanders johnson byrd and others like the fat boys of today larry would beat with ease.i think he beats vitali with ease.the issue i feel is larry did not lead by example when he fought as champ and he has a habit of downgrading fighters at there expense to toot his own horn..

I'm not addressing any so called ducking issues considering this is another hypothetical subject. If you put Holmes in the ring with Lennox, it would be a jab fest, kinda boring, with both waiting for the perfect opportunity to land a right hand. Holmes vs the Brothers K is a well earned UD for Holmes. In my opinion.

I may be wrong but I think a prime Vitali gives Holmes a ton of trouble and the size and power of Wlad might also. My best guess is Holmes takes out Wlad because of his chin but Vitali might beat Holmes. We need to remember Vitali could easily be undefeated with a win of LL if that cut had not occured. I think we underrate Vitali a lot because of how shitty the current HW division is.

Soonermark890 wrote:

flapanther2001 wrote:

dmar5143 wrote:he should dominate this era no doubt.especialy if he avoided the 2 K brothers lennox lewis for example like he did in his hayday with the guys i mentioned..adamek peter briggs sanders johnson byrd and others like the fat boys of today larry would beat with ease.i think he beats vitali with ease.the issue i feel is larry did not lead by example when he fought as champ and he has a habit of downgrading fighters at there expense to toot his own horn..

I'm not addressing any so called ducking issues considering this is another hypothetical subject. If you put Holmes in the ring with Lennox, it would be a jab fest, kinda boring, with both waiting for the perfect opportunity to land a right hand. Holmes vs the Brothers K is a well earned UD for Holmes. In my opinion.

I may be wrong but I think a prime Vitali gives Holmes a ton of trouble and the size and power of Wlad might also. My best guess is Holmes takes out Wlad because of his chin but Vitali might beat Holmes. We need to remember Vitali could easily be undefeated with a win of LL if that cut had not occured. I think we underrate Vitali a lot because of how shitty the current HW division is.

i think that its the opposite. we overrate him because of the poor state of the HW division. the biggest thing about holmes with today's crop of HWs is that he went into the ring to win and had heart. those attributes already make him better than almost every HW today. plus put into account his skill and he easily beats them all. he would KO wlad easily. they may feel out each other for a few rounds but holmes would start landing and KO him. he would totally cut up vitali and TKO him on cuts. the klits are just so overrated because of this terrible era of HWs. they didnt get that big until lewis and the rest of mediocre HWs at the time retired. thats not a coincidence.

Holmes speaks the truth.

Soonermark890 wrote:

flapanther2001 wrote:

dmar5143 wrote:he should dominate this era no doubt.especialy if he avoided the 2 K brothers lennox lewis for example like he did in his hayday with the guys i mentioned..adamek peter briggs sanders johnson byrd and others like the fat boys of today larry would beat with ease.i think he beats vitali with ease.the issue i feel is larry did not lead by example when he fought as champ and he has a habit of downgrading fighters at there expense to toot his own horn..

I'm not addressing any so called ducking issues considering this is another hypothetical subject. If you put Holmes in the ring with Lennox, it would be a jab fest, kinda boring, with both waiting for the perfect opportunity to land a right hand. Holmes vs the Brothers K is a well earned UD for Holmes. In my opinion.

I may be wrong but I think a prime Vitali gives Holmes a ton of trouble and the size and power of Wlad might also. My best guess is Holmes takes out Wlad because of his chin but Vitali might beat Holmes. We need to remember Vitali could easily be undefeated with a win of LL if that cut had not occured. I think we underrate Vitali a lot because of how shitty the current HW division is.

Neither brother has the head/lateral movement to trouble Holmes, he would decimate them.

Larry Holmes has always been high on his own ego.

i saw ESPN compile a list of the top 10 heavyweights of all time with Bert Sugar. Holmes featured on it trying to make out he should have been number 1 because he beat Ali. he really thought he was the dogs bollocks. on his logic Mike Tyson is higher than him because Tyson tore him a new asshole.

dbudge wrote:Larry Holmes has always been high on his own ego.

i saw ESPN compile a list of the top 10 heavyweights of all time with Bert Sugar. Holmes featured on it trying to make out he should have been number 1 because he beat Ali. he really thought he was the dogs bollocks. on his logic Mike Tyson is higher than him because Tyson tore him a new asshole.

his ego is why he was as good as he was. thats why i think that he easily walks through the HWs today because hardly any of them have the determination or will power to be good.

powerpuncher wrote:

Soonermark890 wrote:

flapanther2001 wrote:

dmar5143 wrote:he should dominate this era no doubt.especialy if he avoided the 2 K brothers lennox lewis for example like he did in his hayday with the guys i mentioned..adamek peter briggs sanders johnson byrd and others like the fat boys of today larry would beat with ease.i think he beats vitali with ease.the issue i feel is larry did not lead by example when he fought as champ and he has a habit of downgrading fighters at there expense to toot his own horn..

I'm not addressing any so called ducking issues considering this is another hypothetical subject. If you put Holmes in the ring with Lennox, it would be a jab fest, kinda boring, with both waiting for the perfect opportunity to land a right hand. Holmes vs the Brothers K is a well earned UD for Holmes. In my opinion.

I may be wrong but I think a prime Vitali gives Holmes a ton of trouble and the size and power of Wlad might also. My best guess is Holmes takes out Wlad because of his chin but Vitali might beat Holmes. We need to remember Vitali could easily be undefeated with a win of LL if that cut had not occured. I think we underrate Vitali a lot because of how shitty the current HW division is.

i think that its the opposite. we overrate him because of the poor state of the HW division. the biggest thing about holmes with today's crop of HWs is that he went into the ring to win and had heart. those attributes already make him better than almost every HW today. plus put into account his skill and he easily beats them all. he would KO wlad easily. they may feel out each other for a few rounds but holmes would start landing and KO him. he would totally cut up vitali and TKO him on cuts. the klits are just so overrated because of this terrible era of HWs. they didnt get that big until lewis and the rest of mediocre HWs at the time retired. thats not a coincidence.

I dont know how true that is. Wlad was big until he lost to Corrie Sanders and it looked like he was going to have a huge fights against LL. Vitali was looking like the same until he beat up on Byrd and then got hurt. There is no reason I can see that Vitali can hang with LL but not with Holmes. So are we to think Holmes takes out LL really easy too? I just think that Vitali is highly underrated.

Soonermark890 wrote:

powerpuncher wrote:

Soonermark890 wrote:

flapanther2001 wrote:

dmar5143 wrote:he should dominate this era no doubt.especialy if he avoided the 2 K brothers lennox lewis for example like he did in his hayday with the guys i mentioned..adamek peter briggs sanders johnson byrd and others like the fat boys of today larry would beat with ease.i think he beats vitali with ease.the issue i feel is larry did not lead by example when he fought as champ and he has a habit of downgrading fighters at there expense to toot his own horn..

I'm not addressing any so called ducking issues considering this is another hypothetical subject. If you put Holmes in the ring with Lennox, it would be a jab fest, kinda boring, with both waiting for the perfect opportunity to land a right hand. Holmes vs the Brothers K is a well earned UD for Holmes. In my opinion.

I may be wrong but I think a prime Vitali gives Holmes a ton of trouble and the size and power of Wlad might also. My best guess is Holmes takes out Wlad because of his chin but Vitali might beat Holmes. We need to remember Vitali could easily be undefeated with a win of LL if that cut had not occured. I think we underrate Vitali a lot because of how shitty the current HW division is.

i think that its the opposite. we overrate him because of the poor state of the HW division. the biggest thing about holmes with today's crop of HWs is that he went into the ring to win and had heart. those attributes already make him better than almost every HW today. plus put into account his skill and he easily beats them all. he would KO wlad easily. they may feel out each other for a few rounds but holmes would start landing and KO him. he would totally cut up vitali and TKO him on cuts. the klits are just so overrated because of this terrible era of HWs. they didnt get that big until lewis and the rest of mediocre HWs at the time retired. thats not a coincidence.

I dont know how true that is. Wlad was big until he lost to Corrie Sanders and it looked like he was going to have a huge fights against LL. Vitali was looking like the same until he beat up on Byrd and then got hurt. There is no reason I can see that Vitali can hang with LL but not with Holmes. So are we to think Holmes takes out LL really easy too? I just think that Vitali is highly underrated.

the klits were on the climb until lewis retired really. they had been fighting professionally for a long time at that time so they should have actually been in their primes (late 20's). the lewis that beat vitali was the worst lewis i had ever seen and he still won. a lewis from 5 years before would have made a lot easier work of vitali.

vitali is overated.when he losses the excuses will probably fly.wlad i think is not overated in some ways cause he does several things well outside of taking a punch and a few times with stanima issues.holmes would have no problem with vitali.none.his slow feet pawing jab thats held low and not fast handed nor a quality combination puncher.wlad on the other hand offesively is far more accomplished..
the original topic was holmes as usual sounding his own horn about today he would be champ for at least 10 to 15 years based on the HWS today..thats not true.go back 10 years from today and lewis was capable so were a few others as well as wlad..the issue in reality threwout larrys years the competion of who he defended his title against was just as bad as the HWS today..he has no room to talk.a great fighter yes...yes the competion overall in his era was far better.thoses far better fighters larry did not fight.again no foreman no lyle nor frazier nor young no norton rematch no quarry..he feasted on guys that were as bad maybe in some cases worse then the HWS today.
its a perfect example of whos calling the kettle black.most of the time larry in talks like this shows little or no class.this is one of thoese times.sorry.

I agree with DMar. I do however think that Larry may have had the potential to be champ for along time with the crop of fat boys and robots that we have today.

Good call, dmar. Alfredo Evangeslista was the first guy Holmes defended the title against. With the exception of Earnie Shavers and Mike Weaver, they didn't get much better than that.