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Post  Diego408 on Mon Dec 10, 2012 5:31 am

He's on twitter claiming Marquez was given supplements by Heredia. I was actually blocked by Conte because I called him a criminal and said he had no credibility because he is one of the problems of bringing PEDs in sports. It's sad that every Athelete is under speculation of being on some kind of PED, even if they work their ass off.
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Post  kbyte on Mon Dec 10, 2012 8:04 am

I just totally ignore these accusations to be honest until theres solid proof that anyone cheated. Marquez is just a badass in my book.
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Post  dmar5143 on Mon Dec 10, 2012 8:52 am

conte is now the great crusader.a scum bag who now sees the light because theres money in it for him.so now its marquez on peds.before it was pac.anyone who dedicates themselves well beyound other folks with hard work is a result of peds.
conte showed his ignorance when stating marquez was squating with huge poundage and if a well trained person did that he would not be able to walk correctly for a few days.of course heredia gave him a suppliment.peds i dont believe.conte can tell by just looking at a guy right..like his boy berto.
if conte didnt get caught he still would be the peds dealer.whos he kidding..of course the mastermind of balco is now clean.anyone else associated with him is not.
my advise to any fighter or athletic person who wants a strenth coach is get one that is absolutly clean reputation wise.there are hundreds that have the same or better knowledge of training ways nutrition and understand how to personalize any program suited to that person.stay away from the self acclaimed expert on peds and who now lol wants to make amends by cleaning up sports.yes for a small sanctioning fee of course.
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Post  Soonermark890 on Mon Dec 10, 2012 11:35 am

Conte is a cunt

Dmar I agree as an athlete why would you risk your reputation by hiring guys like that. Either way its all bullshit unless someone gets caught. Jmm muscled up for this fight by working hard and it paid off simple as that!

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Post  nano212 on Mon Dec 10, 2012 5:44 pm

This whole PEDS talk is not out of line considering JMM looked dramatically different and in training showed increased speed and power, His speed was not that evident in the fight maybe because Manny's speed jumped out of the screen because of his energy he showed last night was missing in the last couple fights. The shocking punch to me was the knock down in the 3rd round that had me going hmm... the knock out punch could have happened in the first 3 fights because it was a perfect punch thrown at a perfect time. Manny was coming in, tripped himself up falling forward and ran into that punch. But if Arum and Pac's team wanted drug testing considering memo was working with JMM they could have had it and now we will never know. In saying that I am happy for JMM. He would take apart Rios in 5 rounds if they fight in April.
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Post  Diego408 on Mon Dec 10, 2012 6:50 pm

nano212 wrote:This whole PEDS talk is not out of line considering JMM looked dramatically different and in training showed increased speed and power, His speed was not that evident in the fight maybe because Manny's speed jumped out of the screen because of his energy he showed last night was missing in the last couple fights. The shocking punch to me was the knock down in the 3rd round that had me going hmm... the knock out punch could have happened in the first 3 fights because it was a perfect punch thrown at a perfect time. Manny was coming in, tripped himself up falling forward and ran into that punch. But if Arum and Pac's team wanted drug testing considering memo was working with JMM they could have had it and now we will never know. In saying that I am happy for JMM. He would take apart Rios in 5 rounds if they fight in April.
Dude Marquez and Memo said it themselves, no way would they risk Marquez HOF boxing career by taking PEDs. It would ruin his legacy. Marquez has done beat up Pacquiao 3 times without a physical trainer before. KOs happen unexpectedly. Martinez did the same thing to Williams. Is he on PEDs? fuck no. Is Marquez on PEDs? fuck no. These allegations are pure BS for Conte to get attention and to discredit Marquez.

Manny in his post fight interview said Marquez power didnt feel anymore different, he just didnt see the punches that dropped him. It was the same thing that happen to PW in the rematch with Martinez. The worst punches to get hit by are the ones you dont see. How much times have we said Muscle doesnt help you punch harder? this KO was all timing and position of the two fighters.
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Post  captainanddew on Mon Dec 10, 2012 6:53 pm

I don't know that Marquez takes Rios apart that easily. Rios has an insane chin, applies constant pressure, and will be in Marquez's chest all night.

Marquez looked like Juan Diaz would make him wilt. Diaz couldn't do it.

Rios looked like his chin was going to give in, when he fought Miguel Acosta. It didn't.

This is a hell of a test for either guy. Rios will take Marquez to the edge C he take him over? Same for Marquez. He'll put a hurting on that chin. Will it be enough to dent it and take him down?

Hell of a fight!!! I'd pay to watch them fight on PPV.

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Post  captainanddew on Mon Dec 10, 2012 6:57 pm

Diego408 wrote:
nano212 wrote:This whole PEDS talk is not out of line considering JMM looked dramatically different and in training showed increased speed and power, His speed was not that evident in the fight maybe because Manny's speed jumped out of the screen because of his energy he showed last night was missing in the last couple fights. The shocking punch to me was the knock down in the 3rd round that had me going hmm... the knock out punch could have happened in the first 3 fights because it was a perfect punch thrown at a perfect time. Manny was coming in, tripped himself up falling forward and ran into that punch. But if Arum and Pac's team wanted drug testing considering memo was working with JMM they could have had it and now we will never know. In saying that I am happy for JMM. He would take apart Rios in 5 rounds if they fight in April.
Dude Marquez and Memo said it themselves, no way would they risk Marquez HOF boxing career by taking PEDs. It would ruin his legacy. Marquez has done beat up Pacquiao 3 times without a physical trainer before. KOs happen unexpectedly. Martinez did the same thing to Williams. Is he on PEDs? fuck no. Is Marquez on PEDs? fuck no. These allegations are pure BS for Conte to get attention and to discredit Marquez.

Manny in his post fight interview said Marquez power didnt feel anymore different, he just didnt see the punches that dropped him. It was the same thing that happen to PW in the rematch with Martinez. The worst punches to get hit by are the ones you dont see. How much times have we said Muscle doesnt help you punch harder? this KO was all timing and position of the two fighters.

2 points:
1-Memo worked with Marquez before Pac vs Marquez 3. Marquez weighed in at 142 (1 pound less than the other day) and was damn well muscled last November. Memo might have worked with him for the fight he had at 140 in April or May of 2012.
2-Marquez was 148 pounds on fight night. When Marquez fought at 135 in his last few fights there, he was weighing 145-146 pounds. Marquez doesn't appear to have gotten that much bigger to me. If you aren't a big lifter and start doing more weight work then putting on 3-4 pounds of muscle through the shoulders and traps is not that damn hard. It isn't as if Marquez went from a mid 140 pounder in the ring to all of a sudden weighing 155 pounds in the ring.


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Post  captainanddew on Mon Dec 10, 2012 6:59 pm

If you weigh 145 pounds with say 7.0% bodyfat, you can add 3-4 pounds of muscle, reduce your bodyfat down a percent or 2 and be absolutely shredded with additional lifting.

and maybe, just maybe, they have Marquez focusing on lifting and PROTEIN, instead of his old idea of drinking his piss.

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Post  nano212 on Mon Dec 10, 2012 7:40 pm

I didn't mention Conte in my comment, I know the title read Conte is accusing JMM of taking PEDS or being on them. I just stated that the 3rd round knock down had me questioning couple things, and I also stated in the comment that the KO could have happened in all three fights it was a perfect punch. I am just saying working with a guy known for pushing these undetectable drugs and looking like Tim Bradley at the weigh in is not out of line this day in age to QUESTION athletes. I did not say to accuse JMM just it is ok to question.
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Post  Diego408 on Mon Dec 10, 2012 8:31 pm

captainanddew wrote:
Diego408 wrote:
nano212 wrote:This whole PEDS talk is not out of line considering JMM looked dramatically different and in training showed increased speed and power, His speed was not that evident in the fight maybe because Manny's speed jumped out of the screen because of his energy he showed last night was missing in the last couple fights. The shocking punch to me was the knock down in the 3rd round that had me going hmm... the knock out punch could have happened in the first 3 fights because it was a perfect punch thrown at a perfect time. Manny was coming in, tripped himself up falling forward and ran into that punch. But if Arum and Pac's team wanted drug testing considering memo was working with JMM they could have had it and now we will never know. In saying that I am happy for JMM. He would take apart Rios in 5 rounds if they fight in April.
Dude Marquez and Memo said it themselves, no way would they risk Marquez HOF boxing career by taking PEDs. It would ruin his legacy. Marquez has done beat up Pacquiao 3 times without a physical trainer before. KOs happen unexpectedly. Martinez did the same thing to Williams. Is he on PEDs? fuck no. Is Marquez on PEDs? fuck no. These allegations are pure BS for Conte to get attention and to discredit Marquez.

Manny in his post fight interview said Marquez power didnt feel anymore different, he just didnt see the punches that dropped him. It was the same thing that happen to PW in the rematch with Martinez. The worst punches to get hit by are the ones you dont see. How much times have we said Muscle doesnt help you punch harder? this KO was all timing and position of the two fighters.

2 points:
1-Memo worked with Marquez before Pac vs Marquez 3. Marquez weighed in at 142 (1 pound less than the other day) and was damn well muscled last November. Memo might have worked with him for the fight he had at 140 in April or May of 2012.
2-Marquez was 148 pounds on fight night. When Marquez fought at 135 in his last few fights there, he was weighing 145-146 pounds. Marquez doesn't appear to have gotten that much bigger to me. If you aren't a big lifter and start doing more weight work then putting on 3-4 pounds of muscle through the shoulders and traps is not that damn hard. It isn't as if Marquez went from a mid 140 pounder in the ring to all of a sudden weighing 155 pounds in the ring.

You are right Sir, Memo did work with Marquez for the 3rd fight. However, Marquez has got the best out of Pacquaio with and without Memo.
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Post  Diego408 on Mon Dec 10, 2012 8:33 pm

nano212 wrote:I didn't mention Conte in my comment, I know the title read Conte is accusing JMM of taking PEDS or being on them. I just stated that the 3rd round knock down had me questioning couple things, and I also stated in the comment that the KO could have happened in all three fights it was a perfect punch. I am just saying working with a guy known for pushing these undetectable drugs and looking like Tim Bradley at the weigh in is not out of line this day in age to QUESTION athletes. I did not say to accuse JMM just it is ok to question.
Well the 1st KD was timing and he set up Pacquiao with that punch. If you look at it, Pacquaio did not see it coming. The big right hand landed right on the temple.
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