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Post  powerpuncher on Sat Oct 20, 2012 2:34 am

im not going to bother posting a link because its been out for over a day but its weird that it has really been looked over. the fight is still happening and no one seems to care. morales says that he has been clean for all of his other fights so he obviously isnt taking any now. thats a terrible excuse because he probably needs them now more than ever. garcia probably just isnt scared at all so doesnt care.

morales is one of my all time favorite fighters, but he needs to be done.
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Post  dmar5143 on Sat Oct 20, 2012 8:37 am

wecome to the world of the unprofessional fighter.cano comes in overweight and has to give up 50 000 o his 150 thousand dollar purse to paulie .if he weights more then 157 this morning he will have to give up another 50 thousand.157 for the morning of the fight not noon.mind you its for the so called welter title of 147 pounds.thats a lot of money for 1 pound.unprofessionalism strikes again.
in morales case he was unprofessional before weighting in at i think 2 pounds over the limit and made no attempt to correct it as he weighed a little more in his second try.he took a banned substance and got caught.i dont believe it was to lose weight although its designed for that but to increase energy via oxegen like the bike riders do for its designed for that.of course we all should believe him that in his other fights he was clean.
basicaly the guy simply doesnt care at all.
i would not be suprized a bit to protect the reputation of this unprofessional fighter that sample b comes out inconclusive.
this hurts the many fighters including the club fighters who indeed are professional and sacrfice..the examples of unprofessional behavior is on the rise..
the stupidity of morales knowing you are being tested is unreal..yes he got caught by the guys who catch no one..maybe he was relying on that to happen here.
of course margo in all his wins used loaded gloves but for mosley and morales gee it was just that one time.
theres no excuse for this behavior.he disgusts me.im rooting for garcia to trounch his undeserving ass....i feel bad for the fighters who make every effort all the time to do things right.
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Post  powerpuncher on Sat Oct 20, 2012 9:15 am

supposedly on the third test it came out clean. it sounds kind of fishy to me. maybe he is clean but its weird how the first 2 are positive and then they decide to push it under the rug and still fight and then magically the 3rd test is clean. especially for how calm morales has been.

like i said before, i loved morales and he is an ATG fighter and was a true champion. he is now just fighting way past his best and doesnt care about the glory anymore but about the money.
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Post  dmar5143 on Sat Oct 20, 2012 9:27 am

powerpuncher wrote:supposedly on the third test it came out clean. it sounds kind of fishy to me. maybe he is clean but its weird how the first 2 are positive and then they decide to push it under the rug and still fight and then magically the 3rd test is clean. especially for how calm morales has been.

like i said before, i loved morales and he is an ATG fighter and was a true champion. he is now just fighting way past his best and doesnt care about the glory anymore but about the money.
...i agree.good thoughts and points.
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Post  flapanther2001 on Sat Oct 20, 2012 10:54 am

I think, if they're going to test these guys, that they should be disciplined by the state commission, and not their greedy ass promoters. I guarantee you that Oscar went to Garcia & offered him money to fight anyway, just like he did to Marquez when he fought Mayweather. It's the old "If you wanna fight for me again, you'll take the money & shut up" routine. The state commission should be allowed to step in and say, no, sorry, illegal substance equals no payday.
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Post  captainanddew on Sat Oct 20, 2012 12:07 pm

El Terrible is a fighter I have watched for a long time. I have been a huge fan. I will not give him the benefit of the doubt. He tested positive.

If I am going to hear the tainted meat excuse like Alberto Contador, then I want some damn scientist proving that to me. It sounds like bullshit to me.

I am rooting for Garcia to win tonight and I have never rooted for him before (mainly because his father is a total jackass).


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Post  Shaun on Sat Oct 20, 2012 3:22 pm

Apparently there was a high profile case study about tainted meat in Mexico. Five national team players for Mexico tested positive from tainted meat. Apparently, this was one of the rare occasions where the food really was the cause of the test.
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Post  captainanddew on Sat Oct 20, 2012 5:05 pm

Shaun wrote:Apparently there was a high profile case study about tainted meat in Mexico. Five national team players for Mexico tested positive from tainted meat. Apparently, this was one of the rare occasions where the food really was the cause of the test.

so simple question. was he eating meals with his team? if so then they should have tested them all.

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Post  shakefree on Sat Oct 20, 2012 5:11 pm

playing devil's advocate,it's quite possible,in this case,morales wasn't using the diuretic as a masking agent but for weight loss,as is it's purpose.remember he was overweight the last time they fought.
i'm guessing part of the reason,it's not"such a big deal"is el terrible was already cast as"the opponent"& the garcia's are looking past him.if morales pulls out one last stand,you can bet more will be made of it.

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Post  flapanther2001 on Sat Oct 20, 2012 6:16 pm

shakefree wrote:playing devil's advocate,it's quite possible,in this case,morales wasn't using the diuretic as a masking agent but for weight loss,as is it's purpose.remember he was overweight the last time they fought.
i'm guessing part of the reason,it's not"such a big deal"is el terrible was already cast as"the opponent"& the garcia's are looking past him.if morales pulls out one last stand,you can bet more will be made of it.
Or, he could be using it for what it was created for, to help his breathing during training because at 36, cardio & stamina are much more difficult.
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Post  dbudge on Sat Oct 20, 2012 6:39 pm

flapanther2001 wrote:
shakefree wrote:playing devil's advocate,it's quite possible,in this case,morales wasn't using the diuretic as a masking agent but for weight loss,as is it's purpose.remember he was overweight the last time they fought.
i'm guessing part of the reason,it's not"such a big deal"is el terrible was already cast as"the opponent"& the garcia's are looking past him.if morales pulls out one last stand,you can bet more will be made of it.
Or, he could be using it for what it was created for, to help his breathing during training because at 36, cardio & stamina are much more difficult.

clenbuterol is nothing more than a thermogenic. all it does it increase the rate of a bodies metabolism. yes it is a diuretic and will be useful if trying to cut weight, but i seriously do not understand why any boxer would choose to use clenbuterol for such a purpoise. clenbuterol can give the worst headaches through lack of fluid in the body, it causes insomnia and a sense if lethargy weakness and low moods. clenbuterol was originally designed to be a weight loss aid but it backfired from the moment of production and was never successful at achieving what its goal was set out to be. if morales wanted to cheat and use a ped to cut weight there are plent of better "weight loss aids" available that would have given him much better success. if morales did choose to use clenbuterol it would've been extremely dumb

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Post  nano212 on Sat Oct 20, 2012 7:38 pm

So in light of this fiasco created by Morales's A and B samples coming out positive for a banned substance and somehow a C sample coming up clean, why would Floyd want to use USADA for his fights if he really wants to "clean up" the sport? What if this happened in the lead up to a Floyd vs Manny fight? The outrage Top Rank would create if Floyd would test positive would be epic and if Manny failed a test and both A and B samples were postitive?? FUCKEN Mayweather and his team would ejaculate on each other from such excitement!!
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Post  nano212 on Sat Oct 20, 2012 7:41 pm

But instead of outrage we got a tainted meat story and a ho hum attitude like oh Morales is old and will lose anyways and he is a ATG who never cheated before so we believe him this time!! Just like Margarito never cheated before he got caught vs Mosley right?? Fucken GBP does not want or care about cleaning shit up maybe they should do no testing and give their fighters the extra 100k saved on testing!!
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Post  flapanther2001 on Sat Oct 20, 2012 8:05 pm

Where did this mystery 3rd sample come from?
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Post  dbudge on Sat Oct 20, 2012 8:06 pm

nano212 wrote:But instead of outrage we got a tainted meat story and a ho hum attitude like oh Morales is old and will lose anyways and he is a ATG who never cheated before so we believe him this time!! Just like Margarito never cheated before he got caught vs Mosley right?? Fucken GBP does not want or care about cleaning shit up maybe they should do no testing and give their fighters the extra 100k saved on testing!!

i somewhat agree with what you're saying. what is the point in having sucvh an advanced anti doping screening if the punishments dished out arent consistent. the way berto and peterson got caught and went totally unpunished is a joke

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Post  Shaun on Sun Oct 21, 2012 10:00 am

I don't trust USADA. Lance Armstrong passed 500+ drug tests from USADA. I'm curious to see the state commission's drug test results.
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Post  dbudge on Mon Oct 22, 2012 4:21 am

Shaun wrote:I don't trust USADA. Lance Armstrong passed 500+ drug tests from USADA. I'm curious to see the state commission's drug test results.

A lot of the testing for events in which Armstrong cheated fell outside of usada's jurisdiction. Also a test for epo was not designed until after 2000. Human growth hormone did not have a proper test until 2005. What Armstrong and his team were involved in was a very sophisticated and regimented blood doping organisation. The designers will always be a step ahead of the wada's and usada's of this world, but the testing has improved dramatically from when Armstrong was winning his Tour de France titles

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Post  koolkc107 on Mon Oct 22, 2012 3:43 pm

I DO trust the USADA.

They ARE the gold standard and have a track record of not caring who was outed or what was stopped because of a positive test. If they let the fight go, then I would tend to believe they had good reason.

And let's be clear, clenbuterol, the substance he tested positive for, IS NOT a steroid. It is performance enhancing mainly for its effects as an aid in losing weight.

Here are pertinent quotes from a Daily News article I found telling:


After testing positive for the banned substance clenbuterol on random tests given by the United States Anti-Doping Agency (USADA) on Oct. 4 and Oct. 10, Morales tested negative for the drug in a test that was administered on Wednesday, according to a source with knowledge of the situation. That could save the main event of a show that promoters are billing as the start to reviving big-time boxing in Brooklyn.

Schaefer said USADA explained to him that the trace amount of clenbuteral could have come from tainted beef and that is why it tested Morales multiple times.

Morales also claimed that he had spoken to an official of USADA on Friday who he said “assured” him that the banned substance turned up in such small levels that it wasn’t cause for concern and that it was most likely related to consuming contaminated food.

“It was an amount that was lower than the amount that was found in Mexican soccer players who tested positive in Mexico and they were cleared by WADA because they had eaten contaminated meat,"

My motivation? I just don't buy what happened. Morales is a lot of things, but I don't think a steroid cheat is one of them



http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/more-sports/boxing-champ-flunks-drug-test-barclays-bout-jeopardy-article-1.1187785




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Post  Frank on Mon Oct 22, 2012 3:55 pm

What the hell was the substance Morales got caught using?: "How to get your ass kicked in 4 rounds or die trying pills?"

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Post  koolkc107 on Mon Oct 22, 2012 3:59 pm

Frank wrote:What the hell was the substance Morales got caught using?: "How to get your ass kicked in 4 rounds or die trying pills?"

LMAO!

I knew I left out something...

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Post  flapanther2001 on Mon Oct 22, 2012 4:00 pm

Great catch on the article. To be clear, clenbuteral was designed for asthmatics to help them breathe, a side effect was weight loss, as are many dietary supplements. Knowing this, it would be fair to believe that a 36 year old fighter may have used something to help him train. After reading the article, I can believe that it was as they said.
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Post  koolkc107 on Mon Oct 22, 2012 4:06 pm

flapanther2001 wrote:Great catch on the article. To be clear, clenbuteral was designed for asthmatics to help them breathe, a side effect was weight loss, as are many dietary supplements. Knowing this, it would be fair to believe that a 36 year old fighter may have used something to help him train. After reading the article, I can believe that it was as they said.

I think any rational person would, Bro. Panther. I know it is very easy to condemn when we hear "positive test" but we also have to recognize that, in some cases, a positive is going to completely explainable and WILL NOT be something that has to be considered cheating.
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Post  flapanther2001 on Mon Oct 22, 2012 4:10 pm

koolkc107 wrote:
flapanther2001 wrote:Great catch on the article. To be clear, clenbuteral was designed for asthmatics to help them breathe, a side effect was weight loss, as are many dietary supplements. Knowing this, it would be fair to believe that a 36 year old fighter may have used something to help him train. After reading the article, I can believe that it was as they said.

I think any rational person would, Bro. Panther. I know it is very easy to condemn when we hear "positive test" but we also have to recognize that, in some cases, a positive is going to completely explainable and WILL NOT be something that has to be considered cheating.
Agreed, there are way too many variables involved.
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