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Post  flapanther2001 on Tue Oct 09, 2012 10:16 pm

His resume' is not that impressive...losses to some non greats, some greats. His biggest win? His HW era was not impressive. Aside from being the youngest HW champ, was his career really that impressive?
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Post  dmar5143 on Tue Oct 09, 2012 11:13 pm

mike was the youngest trinket holder as a heavy.i would vote for him.his resume is adaquate.he did beat some good capable fighters by destruction.his last 2 losses bare nothing on what he did at his best.one loss was due to a severe injury in the knee which drs said comes with plenty of severe pain.his last fight simply was mike was not capable condition wise to fight ten rounds.he was washed up.spinks bruno ruddick thomas are amoung the list of good capable heavies mike beat.he crushed galotta and others.
mike is worthy over several hall of famers that dont belong.overall id say mike is a worthy lower level hofamer.he brought excitement to the sport along with big public interest when he fought.
what potentialy he could of been isnt reality but what he realy was is a darn good fighter.not great but maybe a near great or at least very very good at a respectible high level.
even though there are several here that disagree with my thoughts for whatever reason i still think all of us would love to have a tyson type of fighter in his prime today.
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Post  dmar5143 on Tue Oct 09, 2012 11:16 pm

was he that impressive for a while.yes he was.ill quote ali in the exact words of the greatest ego after seeing mike destroy larry holmes..hes awsome.even i would have problems with him.
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Post  powerpuncher on Wed Oct 10, 2012 3:31 am

i would say yes because along with his resume came his popularity and that always has to count for something. although tyson wasnt GREAT, he was very good and when he won, he destroyed. hypothetically speaking, if it werent for his huge fanbase and everybody watching him for his KO's, then his resume alone might not get him in there. im saying that just because i believe that what a fighter does for the sport has an impact on them getting into the HOF.

i could compare him to a de la hoya. although de la hoyas resume is better and he has beaten much better fighters, his HOF is a lock because of the money he brought in for his fights as much as it is about his resume. so thats a yes for tyson because of his impact of the sport along with his pretty impressive career.
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Post  flapanther2001 on Wed Oct 10, 2012 9:34 am

Honestly, I cannot see comparing him to De la Hoya outside of a popularity comparison. His biggest wins were Spinks & Holmes before getting KO'd, after that, there is literally not one victory over a very good opponent. So, if he's Hall worthy because he beat a Lt Hwt to unify the belts, that seems weak.
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Post  dmar5143 on Wed Oct 10, 2012 10:19 am

flapanther2001 wrote:Honestly, I cannot see comparing him to De la Hoya outside of a popularity comparison. His biggest wins were Spinks & Holmes before getting KO'd, after that, there is literally not one victory over a very good opponent. So, if he's Hall worthy because he beat a Lt Hwt to unify the belts, that seems weak.
..actualy your assesment is totaly wrong especialy saying after he got koed he did not beat not one good opponent.he beat frank bruno twice razor ruddick twice carl williams who had beat holmes but was robbed.he beat alex stweart who later on beat foreman but wasnt given the win.
his area was not poor also as you stated.it had capable fighters who could punch or box.his so called resume is better i feel then both wlad and vitali now thats a era with bums.better then holmes .surley better then max baers.mike is given a bum rap on here by many.carl williams and pinklyn thomas were slick boxers.he crushed top prospect terrel biggs.guys like bruno ruddick bonecrusher smith can be viewd as dangerous punchers and rightly so.spinks was a heavyweight.heaven forbid a guy moves up in weight but is constantly called a light heavy.is pac or floyd still; called a feather for example.as far as a list of decent fighters he outshines foreman who all praise on here so none of us are saying foreman is unworthy to the hall.jimmy young made a monkey out of him he struggled big time twice against a old foremer light heavy in peralta.looked pathetic against ron lyle exposing george as a 5 round fighter.later in career two he gets beat with ease by tommy morrison a stiff named alex shultz beat him but got robbed.stewart was also a winner over george.
tyson is getting a bum rap on here and im not a fan of mikes.if you want to talk not hall worthy then talk jimmy braddock or ingemar johanson..tyson belongs.
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Post  kbyte on Wed Oct 10, 2012 10:56 am

He deserves credit for blowing Spinks away. If he had just decisioned him then it wouldn't have been very impressive but the guy was undefeated and Mike destroyed him without breaking a sweat.
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Post  flapanther2001 on Wed Oct 10, 2012 1:24 pm

dmar5143 wrote:
flapanther2001 wrote:Honestly, I cannot see comparing him to De la Hoya outside of a popularity comparison. His biggest wins were Spinks & Holmes before getting KO'd, after that, there is literally not one victory over a very good opponent. So, if he's Hall worthy because he beat a Lt Hwt to unify the belts, that seems weak.
..actualy your assesment is totaly wrong especialy saying after he got koed he did not beat not one good opponent.he beat frank bruno twice razor ruddick twice carl williams who had beat holmes but was robbed.he beat alex stweart who later on beat foreman but wasnt given the win.
his area was not poor also as you stated.it had capable fighters who could punch or box.his so called resume is better i feel then both wlad and vitali now thats a era with bums.better then holmes .surley better then max baers.mike is given a bum rap on here by many.carl williams and pinklyn thomas were slick boxers.he crushed top prospect terrel biggs.guys like bruno ruddick bonecrusher smith can be viewd as dangerous punchers and rightly so.spinks was a heavyweight.heaven forbid a guy moves up in weight but is constantly called a light heavy.is pac or floyd still; called a feather for example.as far as a list of decent fighters he outshines foreman who all praise on here so none of us are saying foreman is unworthy to the hall.jimmy young made a monkey out of him he struggled big time twice against a old foremer light heavy in peralta.looked pathetic against ron lyle exposing george as a 5 round fighter.later in career two he gets beat with ease by tommy morrison a stiff named alex shultz beat him but got robbed.stewart was also a winner over george.
tyson is getting a bum rap on here and im not a fan of mikes.if you want to talk not hall worthy then talk jimmy braddock or ingemar johanson..tyson belongs.
Hang on a second......Carl Williams, Pinklon Thomas, Tyrell Biggs, Bruno, Ruddick? Seriously, those were very good fighters? Seriously?
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Post  dmar5143 on Wed Oct 10, 2012 2:27 pm

williams thomas bruno ruddick were good fighters.i never said very good but thomas at his best indeed was very good.again even ali said after tyson koed holmes he was in awe of mike.spinks was more then a good fighter so was holmes.lets not make it sound like tyson steamrolled over total bums which is far from the truth.so why the hate on tyson.he crushed burbick larry holmes didnt.he crushed golata riddick bowe didnt.he did enough impressively to make the hall.he also crushed williams who beat holmes.
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Post  flapanther2001 on Wed Oct 10, 2012 5:42 pm

dmar5143 wrote:williams thomas bruno ruddick were good fighters.i never said very good but thomas at his best indeed was very good.again even ali said after tyson koed holmes he was in awe of mike.spinks was more then a good fighter so was holmes.lets not make it sound like tyson steamrolled over total bums which is far from the truth.so why the hate on tyson.he crushed burbick larry holmes didnt.he crushed golata riddick bowe didnt.he did enough impressively to make the hall.he also crushed williams who beat holmes.
I'm not hating on anybody, just questioning his resume' as a Hall of Famer. My post said he didn't beat any very good fighters. You mentioned those guys and for the life of me, I can't imagine a guy with your boxing knowledge defending the likes of Berbick, Carl Williams or Pinklon Thomas. They were not very good, average Hwts at best. Tyson lost to any above average fighters after his loss. I think prison & the layoff had some effect, but his skills were eroding after leaving Cus' crew.
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Post  dmar5143 on Wed Oct 10, 2012 6:49 pm

berbick was mediocre at best but as i pointed out mike beat him bad.thomas for a while was a very good fighter.good jab nice movement decent punch could box and for a while i believe was unbeaton defeating some notable guys.williams up to the time he fought mike was considered good.he beat holmes thats enough to say he was good even for a short period of time.career wise yes we can say williams fell short of being good but at the point when he fought mike he was good for that short while.thats what i ment.
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Post  Soonermark890 on Wed Oct 10, 2012 7:00 pm

I am a Tyson fan. He was very very exciting and I loved almost every fight he was in. With that said, NO he does not belong. His career to me was nothing worthy but hell there are a lot of them in the Hall that dont belong.

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Post  dmar5143 on Wed Oct 10, 2012 7:11 pm

one problem with mikes resume is not that he didnt beat some good fighters it was the fighters he beat had a short time of being good.2 years perhaps then slide into palookaville like williams or into mediocrity like ruddick.none had a career that were lasting as a top fighter.they came and they went both fast in coming or going.they lacked lasting contendership..
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Post  powerpuncher on Thu Oct 11, 2012 2:31 am

the weird thing about tyson is that he had a style which would steamroll most fighters, but he would lost to great fighters. because he was fast and hit really hard, unless you came in with the right gameplan, you were probably going to get beat badly. if you came in with the right gameplan, you had a good chance at winning. its not as much like other great fighters. most great fighters will beat a majority of their opponents and will have trouble with a specific type of fighter (styles make fights).

i wouldnt say that tyson had a style which was bad for him. there were multiple styles that could beat him as long as they were confident and could hang in there with him for a while. some styles just lend themselves to make someone look better than they are. i think that tyson is a very good fighter and is a definite top 15 HW which is still good. IMO, that along with his fame and contribution to boxing, he deserves to be in the HOF. there are definitely a ton of people who dont belong in the HOF which are in there so i would definitely say tyson deserves it in the system they are using now.
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Post  Frank on Thu Oct 11, 2012 7:56 am

I have to point out that by the time Tyson beat Pinky Thomas, Pinky was shot. The biggest win of Tyson's career was his win over Michael Spinks. Lennox Lewis and Evander Holyfield fought better fighters. It's just that simple.

Tyson's fame never came from the fighters he beat but rather how he beat them. He was a terribly exciting fighter with legendary power. That said, I always get confused when people start comparing him with all time great heavyweights. I don't think there's a good argument that he's even the best HW of his own era.

Will he get into the HOF? Yes. It's time for us to admit that what ever organization runs the HOF has general boxing knowledge at best. Damn nearly everyone makes the HOF. If Boxing's HOF was run at the mental level of the NFL's hall, would he make it? Hell no.

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Post  dmar5143 on Thu Oct 11, 2012 9:33 am

frank some good points.i agree on the nfl hall of fame thoughts and the boxing hall thoughts.by the way tyson is already in the hall.elected last year.
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Post  powerpuncher on Thu Oct 11, 2012 10:10 am

Frank wrote:I have to point out that by the time Tyson beat Pinky Thomas, Pinky was shot. The biggest win of Tyson's career was his win over Michael Spinks. Lennox Lewis and Evander Holyfield fought better fighters. It's just that simple.

Tyson's fame never came from the fighters he beat but rather how he beat them. He was a terribly exciting fighter with legendary power. That said, I always get confused when people start comparing him with all time great heavyweights. I don't think there's a good argument that he's even the best HW of his own era.

Will he get into the HOF? Yes. It's time for us to admit that what ever organization runs the HOF has general boxing knowledge at best. Damn nearly everyone makes the HOF. If Boxing's HOF was run at the mental level of the NFL's hall, would he make it? Hell no.
i agree completely with the BOLD. thats what ive been trying to say but you put it into one sentence.
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