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Post  koolkc107 on Mon Sep 10, 2012 12:52 pm

I went into Saturday night thinking Bad Chad had all the chance in the world of exposing Ward as a very good but not great pugilist. Instead, Andre put on a clinic AGAIN, this time seeming to show more power as well. It was definitely notice served, not only in his division, but to all of boxing and with as good an exclamation point as could be expected.

So I will dare to say it: Andre Ward is pound for pound the best fighter in the world.

Between the Super Six and now this last fight, NO ONE has been as dominant over such a high caliber of competition over such a long period of time.

Hate him if you want to.

But give the guy his props.


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Re: Is SOG P4P #1?

Post  freakzilla on Mon Sep 10, 2012 1:01 pm

He's top 2 with FMJ.

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Post  Diego408 on Mon Sep 10, 2012 3:33 pm

Ward is the P4P king, Floyd wishes he he was that good. If Floyd was as great as he says he is or his fans think, he would have taken the same risks Andre has done at The same point of his own career. Ward by far is the better fighter physically, mentally, technically, offensively, defensively and way tougher.
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Re: Is SOG P4P #1?

Post  flapanther2001 on Mon Sep 10, 2012 4:03 pm

I love this kid. He's as smart as it gets & even tougher. Sometimes, it's little things that you notice that tell you a lot about a fighter. For instance, during the Froch fight, Froch cracked Ward after the bell, solidly, in the jaw. Ward didn't flinch, just glared at Froch. Many fighters would've been hurt or knocked down, Ward shrugged it off. I knew at that moment, nothing Froch could do would affect Ward, nothing. Ward is getting better, this we know. Dawson, I believe, has peaked. We'll know more when he goes back to 175 defends his title. Because of longevity, I'd still have Floyd at #1 P4P, but I would move Ward up to #2, Manny at #3....
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Re: Is SOG P4P #1?

Post  koolkc107 on Mon Sep 10, 2012 4:16 pm

freakzilla wrote:He's top 2 with FMJ.

I'm a big fan of Floyd but the caliber of Ward's competition fight in and fight out is clearly better...maybe a whole lot better.

And it gets worse. You have these world class guys get dominated by Ward, with Andre making them look second rate or even amateurish...then these same world class guys go out there (sometimes the very next fight) against someone not named Andre Ward...and prove that they are indeed elite!

Ward owns Abraham; who just beat Stieglitz for a 168 lb title.
Ward owns Kessler; then Kessler clearly beats Froch.
Froch gets boatraced by Ward: then manhandles Bute.

And just this Saturday, Ward beats the man who beat Glencoe (at 175), Tarver and Hopkins...all twice! Beat the man who still holds the 175 lb title undisputed!

I don't think it is hard to have Ward #1 at all...
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Post  captainanddew on Mon Sep 10, 2012 5:19 pm

koolkc107 wrote:
freakzilla wrote:He's top 2 with FMJ.

I'm a big fan of Floyd but the caliber of Ward's competition fight in and fight out is clearly better...maybe a whole lot better.

And it gets worse. You have these world class guys get dominated by Ward, with Andre making them look second rate or even amateurish...then these same world class guys go out there (sometimes the very next fight) against someone not named Andre Ward...and prove that they are indeed elite!

Ward owns Abraham; who just beat Stieglitz for a 168 lb title.
Ward owns Kessler; then Kessler clearly beats Froch.
Froch gets boatraced by Ward: then manhandles Bute.

And just this Saturday, Ward beats the man who beat Glencoe (at 175), Tarver and Hopkins...all twice! Beat the man who still holds the 175 lb title undisputed!

I don't think it is hard to have Ward #1 at all...

agreed with everything except Kessler clearly beating Froch. That aside, Kessler's performance against Froch and even Sooner's boy, showed he still has it.

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Post  Soonermark890 on Mon Sep 10, 2012 5:42 pm

KoolKc I tried to tell you he would dominate Chad.

But hell yes he is the best right now. Pac, Floyd and Sergio to me have fallen off a bit and he is in his prime.

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Re: Is SOG P4P #1?

Post  powerpuncher on Tue Sep 11, 2012 2:49 am

i think that floyd is the only comparison at this point. manny for me is clearly behind floyd and ward. although we all forget, marquez actually beat pac, yet we still rank him over marquez even though marquez is still winning fights and has been winning fights even after every time marquez beat him.
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Re: Is SOG P4P #1?

Post  GrantZilla on Tue Sep 11, 2012 3:08 am

The Ring has put him at # 3 behind Pac and Floyd who are # 2. # 1 still being vacant.

What a fucking joke
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Re: Is SOG P4P #1?

Post  dmar5143 on Tue Sep 11, 2012 8:20 am

GrantZilla wrote:The Ring has put him at # 3 behind Pac and Floyd who are # 2. # 1 still being vacant.

What a fucking joke
..i agree...ward most certainly should be one or two.im leaning towards number 1..
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Re: Is SOG P4P #1?

Post  koolkc107 on Tue Sep 11, 2012 1:23 pm

Soonermark890 wrote:KoolKc I tried to tell you he would dominate Chad.

But hell yes he is the best right now. Pac, Floyd and Sergio to me have fallen off a bit and he is in his prime.

Yes you did, Sooner.

Lucky for me, boxing is one of the few things in life where you can be completely wrong and still enjoy the hell out of being so.

And it is clear that all the guys in front of Ward right now, Nonito included, have less impressive recent resumes than Andre.

The rankings can say whatever they want.

No way is there anyone out there right now P4P better than Ward.
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Re: Is SOG P4P #1?

Post  Shaun on Tue Sep 11, 2012 3:36 pm

http://compuboxonline.com/compubox-stats-ward-ko-10-dawson/

Total punches landed:
Ward: 155
Dawson: 29

Has there ever been major fight between to top boxer that is this one sided? Wright vs. Trinidad maybe?
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Re: Is SOG P4P #1?

Post  powerpuncher on Wed Sep 12, 2012 2:46 am

Shaun wrote:http://compuboxonline.com/compubox-stats-ward-ko-10-dawson/

Total punches landed:
Ward: 155
Dawson: 29

Has there ever been major fight between to top boxer that is this one sided? Wright vs. Trinidad maybe?
for one, what do you mean by major fight? to me, wright vs tito wasnt at all a major fight since tito came out of retirement and wright was never a huge name. but hopkins vs tito was pretty one sided. i know that there have to be more but im not going to sit here at think about it.
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Re: Is SOG P4P #1?

Post  Soonermark890 on Wed Sep 12, 2012 5:38 pm

Shaun wrote:http://compuboxonline.com/compubox-stats-ward-ko-10-dawson/

Total punches landed:
Ward: 155
Dawson: 29

Has there ever been major fight between to top boxer that is this one sided? Wright vs. Trinidad maybe?
Spinks vs Tyson? Thats about all I can think about.

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Re: Is SOG P4P #1?

Post  dmar5143 on Wed Sep 12, 2012 5:58 pm

sooner there were several.liston -patterson both fights.ingo-patterson first fight.louis-smeling second fight..all were short fights though.for a long fight.holmes vs shavers fight one.history has several.
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Re: Is SOG P4P #1?

Post  Soonermark890 on Wed Sep 12, 2012 6:24 pm

dmar5143 wrote:sooner there were several.liston -patterson both fights.ingo-patterson first fight.louis-smeling second fight..all were short fights though.for a long fight.holmes vs shavers fight one.history has several.
I knew you would come through on that question.

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Post  dmar5143 on Wed Sep 12, 2012 8:13 pm

lol thanks sooner..floyd-marquez theres plenty for sure.
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Re: Is SOG P4P #1?

Post  koolkc107 on Fri Sep 14, 2012 12:26 pm

Roach on SOG (from ESPN's live chat):


Ron (Baltimore)
Speaking of Ward, what did you think of his performance against Dawson?

Freddie Roach
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Great performance, might be the best fighter in the world today.
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Re: Is SOG P4P #1?

Post  Soonermark890 on Fri Sep 14, 2012 5:48 pm

koolkc107 wrote:Roach on SOG (from ESPN's live chat):


Ron (Baltimore)
Speaking of Ward, what did you think of his performance against Dawson?

Freddie Roach
(12:19 PM)
Great performance, might be the best fighter in the world today.
I think everyone knows that the top guys have fallen off and Ward is the best.

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Re: Is SOG P4P #1?

Post  captainanddew on Fri Sep 14, 2012 5:56 pm

Soonermark890 wrote:
koolkc107 wrote:Roach on SOG (from ESPN's live chat):


Ron (Baltimore)
Speaking of Ward, what did you think of his performance against Dawson?

Freddie Roach
(12:19 PM)
Great performance, might be the best fighter in the world today.
I think everyone knows that the top guys have fallen off and Ward is the best.

ring magazine's top 10 p4p
has
Floyd
Pac
Martinez
Marquez
Vitali

5 fighters that aren't the same as they were 2 yrs ago.

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Re: Is SOG P4P #1?

Post  Soonermark890 on Fri Sep 14, 2012 6:04 pm

captainanddew wrote:
Soonermark890 wrote:
koolkc107 wrote:Roach on SOG (from ESPN's live chat):


Ron (Baltimore)
Speaking of Ward, what did you think of his performance against Dawson?

Freddie Roach
(12:19 PM)
Great performance, might be the best fighter in the world today.
I think everyone knows that the top guys have fallen off and Ward is the best.

ring magazine's top 10 p4p
has
Floyd
Pac
Martinez
Marquez
Vitali

5 fighters that aren't the same as they were 2 yrs ago.
Man thats a bad list.

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Re: Is SOG P4P #1?

Post  captainanddew on Fri Sep 14, 2012 6:40 pm

Soonermark890 wrote:
captainanddew wrote:
Soonermark890 wrote:
koolkc107 wrote:Roach on SOG (from ESPN's live chat):


Ron (Baltimore)
Speaking of Ward, what did you think of his performance against Dawson?

Freddie Roach
(12:19 PM)
Great performance, might be the best fighter in the world today.
I think everyone knows that the top guys have fallen off and Ward is the best.

ring magazine's top 10 p4p
has
Floyd
Pac
Martinez
Marquez
Vitali

5 fighters that aren't the same as they were 2 yrs ago.
Man thats a bad list.

some very good fighters there. I think that all of us would agree that the 2010 versions of those fighters would definitely beat today's versions of the fighters.

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Post  powerpuncher on Sat Sep 15, 2012 3:01 am

Soonermark890 wrote:
captainanddew wrote:
Soonermark890 wrote:
koolkc107 wrote:Roach on SOG (from ESPN's live chat):


Ron (Baltimore)
Speaking of Ward, what did you think of his performance against Dawson?

Freddie Roach
(12:19 PM)
Great performance, might be the best fighter in the world today.
I think everyone knows that the top guys have fallen off and Ward is the best.

ring magazine's top 10 p4p
has
Floyd
Pac
Martinez
Marquez
Vitali

5 fighters that aren't the same as they were 2 yrs ago.
Man thats a bad list.
i dont really think its that bad other than vitali being on there which makes it ridiculous.
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Re: Is SOG P4P #1?

Post  Gumby on Sun Sep 16, 2012 7:35 am

I think he's #1 p4p. That doesn't mean he's better historically than guys he's ahead of, just better right now. I'm a huge fan and I constantly doubt him because I can't believe he's as good as he is. I thought Chad presented a lot of stylistic problems and Ward broke him down.
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Re: Is SOG P4P #1?

Post  Soonermark890 on Sun Sep 16, 2012 12:55 pm

powerpuncher wrote:
Soonermark890 wrote:
captainanddew wrote:
Soonermark890 wrote:
koolkc107 wrote:Roach on SOG (from ESPN's live chat):


Ron (Baltimore)
Speaking of Ward, what did you think of his performance against Dawson?

Freddie Roach
(12:19 PM)
Great performance, might be the best fighter in the world today.
I think everyone knows that the top guys have fallen off and Ward is the best.

ring magazine's top 10 p4p
has
Floyd
Pac
Martinez
Marquez
Vitali

5 fighters that aren't the same as they were 2 yrs ago.
Man thats a bad list.
i dont really think its that bad other than vitali being on there which makes it ridiculous.
And the fact that Ward isnt on it.

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